I didn't realise that Xbox World and PSM2 were the two leading independent mags for those formats. I wonder, had Driv3r been released on Gamecube, would Future have forced the same score deal on NGC Mag too? And would they have refused, potentially jeopardising the whole thing, or agreed, which probably would have meant the mag would have a far different legacy to the one it enjoys today
Man, i remember getting Driv3r a week or so early from my local indie that gave zero strawberry floats about street dates. I finished it and my god it was a struggle, perhaps my greatest claim to fame. Does the Kane and Lynch/Jeff Gerstman story not count as its fairly recent and still memorable?
Qikz wrote:I wasn't on GR for the whole Driv3rgate thing so I missed out. Never even played Driver 1/2 when it came out so I avoided it by pure chance haha.
Is Stuart Campbell our Stu?
LongHairStu, I think. Different guy. Hasn't posted in years.
It's a bit unfortunate that poor fellow labelled his video with gamergate. He might not realise it but it's a term associated with a passionate group of mentally well adjusted warriors of the light who might watch his gamergate video thinking he is one of their own. An embarrassing oversight on his part.
Qikz wrote:I wasn't on GR for the whole Driv3rgate thing so I missed out. Never even played Driver 1/2 when it came out so I avoided it by pure chance haha.
Is Stuart Campbell our Stu?
LongHairStu, I think. Different guy. Hasn't posted in years.
I remember that username. Yeah, not seen him in ages.
I still have both those issues of PSM2 and Xbox World, & stablemates EDGE, OPS2 and possibly Xbox Gamer which covered the fallout to various degrees. EDGE used it as a vehicle to promote Broken Sword 3 and Prince of Persia instead. OPS2 just said 'Driv3rgate. You can almost taste the disappointment'. Xbox Gamer went as far as to say they would like to talk about it but would be fired, PSM2 said nothing, and Xbox World briefly mentioned it right at the back the following month that some people didn't like it, but they still thought it was tremendous fun. The thing is, while that video states it as a matter of fact, there's never actually been a definitive answer to just what went on with Driv3rgate.
As an aside, there was a blog a number of years ago (Ram Raiders I think it was called) that resulted in some people within Future getting in contact with me & accusing me of either being behind it or involved in some way. I wasn't, but I think that belief went out the window when, out of sheer coincidence, the blog then went and plugged GRcade & my thread on here because I'd happened to notice Official Nintendo Magazine's poorly written review of some Wii game. I remember I was PM'ed & because somebody had called somebody else "Chris Scullytodgers & the band of merry arse-bandits" (or something along those lines) it blatantly sounded like something I'd write. I can't remember if this was within the blog article or what but I know the belief in some places was that I'd say something on here and it'd suddenly go on to appear on there. The thing is I had absolutely nothing to do with it, but the knowledge I was apparently driving certain people round the twist was somewhat amusing so I never denied it.
bear wrote:It's a bit unfortunate that poor fellow labelled his video with gamergate. He might not realise it but it's a term associated with a passionate group of mentally well adjusted warriors of the light who might watch his gamergate video thinking he is one of their own. An embarrassing oversight on his part.
The games press (as a collective) is a bunch of salt of the earth fellows who'd never purposely do anything even slightly unethical, and I can't imagine why anyone would ever assume they might have done something dodgy.
I remember driver gate on the old forums ,I only posted a little at the time and was more of a lurker forumite than a regular contributor .It went absolutely mental and was quite amazing to watch what was going on. Can't believe that was about 12 years ago now.
It wasn’t just the scores that were becoming an obvious problem, it was everything else too; PSM2 and OPS2 went downhill at around about the same time, or maybe within less than a year of each other. It was during the boom of the weekly lads mag & I think they or the publisher wanted to try and compete & have another attempt at what various PS1 mags had done in the late 90s. OPS2 went as far as spending some of their budget for about a year or so employing a glamour model. She was very nice, but nonetheless it felt rather contrived.
What I always liked about PSM2 (& this was true of N64/NGC) was that it felt like a group of mates, and that rubbed off in their relationship with the readers. It just encapsulated everything that was great about Unofficial videogames mags.
KK wrote:It was during the boom of the weekly lads mag & I think they or the publisher wanted to try and compete & have another attempt at what various PS1 mags had done in the late 90s.
Which magazine was it that had a "readers girlfriend" feature for a while? I think it was one of the Playstation magazines?
It was OPS2, in I believe November 2003. It lasted all of 1 issue because I think Sony were less than impressed. They actually reviewed her on the back page and gave her a 7, & also duly noted how many beers it would take before she was visually attractive enough to strawberry float. I think it was 3.
This was also the same year they introduced the erect-o-meter to review porn DVDs, thought it was suitable to give away a sex doll as a competition prize, and wrote the Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness review, in which they spent most of the time attempting to justify that while yes the game wasn't very good, it still warranted an 8.
KK wrote:It was OPS2, in I believe November 2003. It lasted all of 1 issue because I think Sony were less than impressed. They actually reviewed her on the back page and gave her a 7, & also duly noted how many beers it would take before she was visually attractive enough to strawberry float. I think it was 3.
Was it only one issue? I thought it went on longer, it was one of the most cringy things I have ever seen in gaming (and that really is saying something!).
This was also the same year they introduced the erect-o-meter to review porn DVDs, thought it was suitable to give away a sex doll as a competition prize, and wrote the Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness review, in which they spent most of the time attempting to justify that while yes the game wasn't very good, it still warranted an 8.