The Comics Thread - We were being watched...

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by Saigon Slick » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:12 pm

Mafro wrote:Good riddance.


Yep.

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by TV Dinner » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:20 pm

Winckle wrote:

Nightwing would be ideal for him but the book's just got a new creative team. Bleeding Cool thinks he's writing Zatanna which would be an odd fit.

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by Mafrozen » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:54 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Mafro wrote:Good riddance.


Yep.

It's great news as someone that didn't like most of his recent work and isn't interested in DC. He had way too much say at Marvel and his complete disregard for continuity and what other people were doing was unparalleled.

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PostRe: The Comics Thread - We were being watched...
by Hexx » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:09 pm

Mafro :wub:

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PostRe: The Comics Thread - We were being watched...
by Hexx » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:09 pm

Bleeding Cool have an interesting article

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/07 ... dc-comics/

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by Mafrozen » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:22 pm

Hexx wrote:Bleeding Cool have an interesting article

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/07 ... dc-comics/

lol could you imagine how strawberry floating awful a Fantastic Four by him would be. Also:
But first, what was going on with Bendis at Marvel? He was writing Jessica Jones, Guardians Of The Galaxy, Defenders, Spider-Man, Spider-Men II, Invincible Iron Man and Infamous Iron Man. He had written the Civil War II crossover event. But he deliberately stayed well away from Secret Empire. His books didn’t crossover with the big event, and Guardians only did when he left.

I just put that down to him being stubborn and having no interest in the event because he wasn't writing it. He's done that in the past.

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PostRe: The Comics Thread - We were being watched...
by Saigon Slick » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:49 am

Not that Bendis is the nicest guy or the best writer but that "diversity doesn't sell" thing stuck in my craw a bit.

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by Winckle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:55 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:Not that Bendis is the nicest guy or the best writer but that "diversity doesn't sell" thing stuck in my craw a bit.

DC's Detective Comics featuring transgender and lesbian characters is a regular best seller. Likewise their Green Lanterns featuring a hispanic woman with mental health issues and a muslim main character.

Diversity is fine, you just need good talent behind the comic.

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by Saigon Slick » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:46 am

Winckle wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Not that Bendis is the nicest guy or the best writer but that "diversity doesn't sell" thing stuck in my craw a bit.

DC's Detective Comics featuring transgender and lesbian characters is a regular best seller. Likewise their Green Lanterns featuring a hispanic woman with mental health issues and a muslim main character.

Diversity is fine, you just need good talent behind the comic.


That's my point - one of the things in the bleeding cool article was an argument between Bendis and that guy Gabriel, who told him that diversity doesn't sell in a disagreement over Miles Morales. Which is bollocks.

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by Gideon » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:58 am

I got my first comic subscription in about 25 years about a month ago, 2000AD weekly and the monthly Megazine. Have to say I’m loving it. Slaine’s still nonsense which is great to see, I absolutely love what little I’ve seen of Harry Absalom (nothing endears me to a character quite so quickly as seeing them punch a thinly-veiled brexiteer in the mouth and call him a pillock in the very first page that you see him), Dredd’s Dredd. Loving what I’ve read so far.

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by Mafrozen » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:36 pm

The problem a lot of people had with Marvel over the past few years was some of the main established heroes being completely replaced with new ones shoehorned into the legacy character's mantle. Miles Morales Spider-Man and Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel were fine because they were well thought out, well written and set up over a long period of time. Falcon as the new Captain America made so much more sense than Bucky taking up that mantle a few years ago too, but then that run was basically made pointless when Marvel announced another Captain America series with Steve Rogers again. But then you had:

Bruce Banner killed off in the most stupid manner and being replaced by a young Amadeus Cho as the new "Totally Awesome Hulk". No thanks.

Iron Man put in a coma and shelved, replaced by some child character Bendis basically created for his daughter. (Dr Doom also took over as Iron Man but this one wasn't anywhere near as prominent)

Thor suddenly becoming unworthy of Mjolnir and Jane Foster taking over the mantle.

Wolverine dying and being replaced by X-23 which was completely against what both characters previously wanted.

A new Wasp being introduced who was Hank Pym's secret daughter (this character getting a solo series seemed utterly pointless when original Wasp is still around)

Hank Pym basically being an irrelevant character since Scott Lang is Ant-Man (hello, MCU influence) and they randomly decided to introduce a new Giant-Man whose name I can't even remember.

Richard Rider Nova being shelved for years and replaced with a child character created because the writer was still grieving over his child's death (I realise how awful this sounds, but this is basically what happened)

And you've still got the time-displaced teenage original five X-Men hanging around like a bad smell.

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by IAmTheSantaMan » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:10 pm

Gideon wrote:I got my first comic subscription in about 25 years about a month ago, 2000AD weekly and the monthly Megazine. Have to say I’m loving it. Slaine’s still nonsense which is great to see, I absolutely love what little I’ve seen of Harry Absalom (nothing endears me to a character quite so quickly as seeing them punch a thinly-veiled brexiteer in the mouth and call him a pillock in the very first page that you see him), Dredd’s Dredd. Loving what I’ve read so far.


After picking up a few issues in a shop I too have taken out the same subscription about a month ago along with the Ultimate Collection hardback series. I’d bought odd issues since I was a kid but never subscribed until now.

I’m particularly enjoying the “best of” approach that hardback series takes with Ballad of Halo Jones being the standout issue thus far.

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by Winckle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:03 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Not that Bendis is the nicest guy or the best writer but that "diversity doesn't sell" thing stuck in my craw a bit.

DC's Detective Comics featuring transgender and lesbian characters is a regular best seller. Likewise their Green Lanterns featuring a hispanic woman with mental health issues and a muslim main character.

Diversity is fine, you just need good talent behind the comic.


That's my point - one of the things in the bleeding cool article was an argument between Bendis and that guy Gabriel, who told him that diversity doesn't sell in a disagreement over Miles Morales. Which is bollocks.

Oh absolutely, I agree with you. I just wanted to demonstrate some concrete examples.

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by Gideon » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:08 pm

IAmTheSaladMan wrote:
Gideon wrote:I got my first comic subscription in about 25 years about a month ago, 2000AD weekly and the monthly Megazine. Have to say I’m loving it. Slaine’s still nonsense which is great to see, I absolutely love what little I’ve seen of Harry Absalom (nothing endears me to a character quite so quickly as seeing them punch a thinly-veiled brexiteer in the mouth and call him a pillock in the very first page that you see him), Dredd’s Dredd. Loving what I’ve read so far.


After picking up a few issues in a shop I too have taken out the same subscription about a month ago along with the Ultimate Collection hardback series. I’d bought odd issues since I was a kid but never subscribed until now.

I’m particularly enjoying the “best of” approach that hardback series takes with Ballad of Halo Jones being the standout issue thus far.


You’d recommend the Ultimate Collection sub then? Seems like I’d get a fair bit out of it having missed entire decades of their output.

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by IAmTheSantaMan » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:15 pm

Gideon wrote:
IAmTheSaladMan wrote:
Gideon wrote:I got my first comic subscription in about 25 years about a month ago, 2000AD weekly and the monthly Megazine. Have to say I’m loving it. Slaine’s still nonsense which is great to see, I absolutely love what little I’ve seen of Harry Absalom (nothing endears me to a character quite so quickly as seeing them punch a thinly-veiled brexiteer in the mouth and call him a pillock in the very first page that you see him), Dredd’s Dredd. Loving what I’ve read so far.


After picking up a few issues in a shop I too have taken out the same subscription about a month ago along with the Ultimate Collection hardback series. I’d bought odd issues since I was a kid but never subscribed until now.

I’m particularly enjoying the “best of” approach that hardback series takes with Ballad of Halo Jones being the standout issue thus far.


You’d recommend the Ultimate Collection sub then? Seems like I’d get a fair bit out of it having missed entire decades of their output.


It's still early days but I'm enjoying it so far. I've read the first three books (Slaine: The Horned God, The Ballad of Halo Jones and Shakara) and there hasn't been a bad one yet. The books themselves are pretty good quality too.

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by TV Dinner » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:07 pm

Hickman might be coming over to DC too. :datass: He's stated previously he wants to do a Legion of Superheroes book and despite Saturn Girl popping up several times since Rebirth, nothing has come of it.

This has been in the works for a long time. But I understand that Jonathan Hickman, who has been working on creator-owned comics since he left Marvel Comics at the end of Secret Wars, has has been in talks with DC Comics. The nature of which has been a long time in the agreeing, but I understand whatever it would be would not be an exclusive deal, leaving Jonathan Hickman open to work on other work-for-hire projects. That could include Marvel.

As it stands, DC Comics asked Hickman to pitch several things and he has. They have made him an offer. He has yet to accept. But the decision for the man who shepherded Hickman into Marvel Comics from Image Comics, Brian Bendis, to join DC Comics does feel like the fates aligning.

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by Winckle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:15 pm

I've heard good things about BMB's Daredevil run. What volume/issues did he write?

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by Mafrozen » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:18 pm

Hickman is probably the one thing that could get me interested in a DC comic.

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by TV Dinner » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:30 pm

Winckle wrote:I've heard good things about BMB's Daredevil run. What volume/issues did he write?

Daredevil vol. 2, #16-19, 26-50, 56-60
Daredevil vol. 2, #61-81; What If...Karen Page Had Lived; Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #6-8

It's a really great run.

Mafro wrote:Hickman is probably the one thing that could get me interested in a DC comic.


I'd recommend picking up Mr Miracle which is fantastic.

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by Winckle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:35 pm

Memento Mori wrote:
Winckle wrote:I've heard good things about BMB's Daredevil run. What volume/issues did he write?

Daredevil vol. 2, #16-19, 26-50, 56-60
Daredevil vol. 2, #61-81; What If...Karen Page Had Lived; Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #6-8

It's a really great run.

Mafro wrote:Hickman is probably the one thing that could get me interested in a DC comic.


I'd recommend picking up Mr Miracle which is fantastic.

What's with all the gaps in the issues?

Also, Mister Miracle is so good. Tom King is a genius.


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