The Comics Thread - While You Slept, the World Changed...

[Winckle]

Just caught up on Spider-Woman who's pregnant now I guess? I've not read any Marvel since they started the secret wars guff so it was a bit of a surprise.

[ITSMILNER]

Who knocked her up?

[Winckle]

Who knocked her up?

We don't know yet. Unless it happened during secret wars, I skipped all that.

[Memento Mori]

Bleeding Cool says DC is renumbering everything again to #1 in June and Snyder's on Detective Comics instead of Batman.

Guessing/hoping the artist is Sean Murphy.

[ITSMILNER]

Was New 52 that bad for DC then that the need to start again? It's the New 52 that got me into DC stuff

Just read Young Avengers: Family Matters, never knew that Hulklings father was Captain Mar-vel

[Winckle]

Bleeding Cool says DC is renumbering everything again to #1 in June and Snyder's on Detective Comics instead of Batman.

Guessing/hoping the artist is Sean Murphy.

[Pedro]

Got to say the numbering thing for new initiatives doesn't bother me as much as it does some people - speaking to the folks that run my LCS they say it really does help them shift books and acts as a jumping on point for people. Personally, if the team isn't one I'm in to I give it two issues and then jump off (see the most recent Daredevil shakeup).

DC really is struggling at the minute. Hell both majors are starting to look thin on the talent pool next to Image - but it's only gonna get better if they start offering better deals to talent. If you are a name who does good work - why not go to Image and own all the rights that might pop like a Walking Dead. People like Aaron and Snyder appear to like playing with the big toys too much to give it up completely, but I see more and more talent going that way.

I do question how many names Image can break on their own though - unless something gets amazing reviews I don't pick up new Image 1's as a matter of habit, mainly just to keep my monthly bill down. Does mean I've missed some good titles in singles, but then Image trades are really well priced.

[Winckle]

From what i've heard both at my own comic store and online, a lot of newer readers get really turned off by the reboots. The guy at the store says that when secret wars and convergence hit a lot of people just came in and said "Cancel all my DC/Marvel please". Check out the tweets in the below link from Dublin's Big Bang comics.

https://storify.com/SKTCHD/dublin-s-the ... try-s-curr

[Pedro]

Oh I think the number of books and seemingly non-sensical cross overs is bullshit. The fact that Marvel are already bigging up Civil War II (and lets be done with such pedestrian names) is a bit of a joke. It's one of the reasons I don't read Avengers titles - they are too closely tied to Marvel's events.

If DC and Marvel want to get any share back - they need constant and quality teams on books. The more out there books (a-la Vision) are never going to sell gang-busters no matter the quality of the work. Maybe in trade, but in singles people won't risk £3 a month on a book that might end up a critical darling.

At DC I'm down to about 3 books (Batgirl - got 3/4 back issues still to read, Batman and Gotham Academy - got a couple to still read). Marvel is doing better, but for the most part it's Image I'm loving. What's funny to me is all Image has done is basically copy the early Vertigo model - while DC have all but abandoned that imprint.

[Mafro]

I've not stepped foot in a comic shop in about five years

[bear]

The events and crossover gooseberry fool needs to be either toned down or gotten rid of entirely.
I still think that DCs lineup should be build around a handful of weeklys and variants on a DC presents series to highlight the lesser characters. They already do multiple Justice League, Batman, Superman so would they really be increasing their output at all? Green Lantern was practically a weekly title due to all the crossovers but it lacked the consistency of a proper weekly like Batman Eternal so people just stopped caring after a while.


And get rid of the titty monster women.

[Pedro]

See I hate weeklys. I don't like rotating teams and as I try and buy comics monthly (one visit in to town) then the strawberry floaters just pile up. Also for me they very much have the feel of an event - everything ties to them, or you have to follow the next one along. I've tried multiple ones and never read them until the end (even if I picked them all up).

for me Batman was somewhat hurt by the tie to Batman Eternal. I've been loving Grayson (a book I forgot I'm still buying when listing above) but that get roped in to Robin War and more to Batman & Robin eternal is starting to sower me to it somewhat.

Fo me the best books (and again talking to the guys who run my shop) and the ones that are evergreen in trades - are those by good teams generally being left the hell alone. I'm really enjoying Aaron's Thor run - have from the being and apart from the very minor relation to events, you can tell he's being left alone to write the story he wants to tell. We are three number 1's in to that run, but the art has been consistently great and very little mucking about en route - it means I'm happy to keep giving it my money.

[Mafro]

The big Marvel crossovers don't bother me if they're good. The problem is that most of them have been poorly written for the past ten years.

Civil War - Mark Millar writing half the folk out of character
Secret Invasion - Bendis
Siege - Bendis
Fear Itself - just average, if that
Avengers vs X-Men - five or six writers with different ideas and it was all over the place
Age of Ultron - Bendis
Infinity - Hickman getting to do a cosmic crossover and shock horror it was the best one in years
Original Sin - pretty good overall but didn't really have any lasting results
AXIS - blatantly meant to be just the final arc in Uncanny Avengers but editorial wanted it spun out into its own crossover event (Rick Remender confirmed this in a recent AMA) and was a bit of a mess
Secret Wars - Hickman doing another crossover event and shock horror its probably the best one they've ever done.

Civil War II will be gooseberry fool going by the leaks and the fact it's Bendis on a big event again. I don't think any of the Marvel books I'm buying are confirmed as getting a tie-in yet.

[Pedro]

That's a shockingly bad batting average though from that list. Also happy many books were delayed or dereailed by Secret Wars that had no need to be delayed.

[Mafro]

The only ones I was arsed about were Siege and Thors since they tied into the story of the main series.

[Memento Mori]

Bleeding Cool says DC is renumbering everything again to #1 in June and Snyder's on Detective Comics instead of Batman.

Guessing/hoping the artist is Sean Murphy.

To be fair to DC this would be the first line-wide renumbering in 5 years and only the second time Detective Comics has been renumbered in seventy years.

Marvel renumbers like once a month.

[Pedro]

Probably bad that I've get 10+ issues of both Star Wars and Vader comics to read. I've actually cancelled Vader. Star Wars has jumped to the top of the reading pile for next weekend. With sales ever since Black Friday I've got a seismic fuck-ton of stuff to read but sadly little time to do so.

[Irene Demova]

RE: Renumbering

I'm not bothered by it at all, however I did use renumbering as a natural point to stop buying comics. So from a business standpoint it's a total failure for getting my money.
Probably boosts sales in the short term though

[Cheeky Devlin]

I'm really enjoying Aaron's Thor run - have from the being and apart from the very minor relation to events, you can tell he's being left alone to write the story he wants to tell. We are three number 1's in to that run, but the art has been consistently great and very little mucking about en route - it means I'm happy to keep giving it my money.

Yeah his Thor run has been fantastic. God of Thunder was excellent. Need to catch up on the post-Secret Wars stuff.

[GrinWithoutaKat]

Just read through the first two trades of Matt Fraction's Hawkeye and its one of the best things I've read in years. I've waited a LONG time for the run to be completed and all up on MU, and I've heard a lot of praise for it. After recently reading another hyped up run in Gillen's Young Avengers and being a bit disappointed, I was worried this would be the same situation, but it's amazing.

Got a question for people that might know more about creating a comic. Who's responsible for the style of it? How much influence does the writer have over that, or how much free reign does the artist have? I love the sort of 60's campy spy movie vibe it's got going on. I did enjoy the Iron Fist run these two did together, but don't remember it looking quite so interesting as this.