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Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:46 am
by Tafdolphin
Zartan wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:Having read the books, they've completely strawberry floated up the tone of this. The book is far more cynical about the state of the world and every action questions the state humans exist in, questioning whether the person that comes out of the stack is the same person who was put in there. This is just 'look at these pretty graphics and marvel at our clever ideas.'


I finished the series, and I hated parts and really enjoyed other bits, but this was the one thing I really didn't get, it seemed such a major thing about a copy just taking over, and they never really address it.


What really got me was the first few episode's treatment of the world itself. It shows this hugely marginalised populace and these filthy rich oligarchical meths and...does nothing with them. There's no bite to it, no idea suggestion that this is wrong, somehow. There was a great review I saw on twitter that refuted that this was cyperpunk as there was simply no punk spirit at all. It was just...cyber.

(As an aside, I don't view the books as cyberpunk either but that aesthetic was clearly what the series was going for)

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:03 pm
by Corazon de Leon
Zartan wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:Having read the books, they've completely strawberry floated up the tone of this. The book is far more cynical about the state of the world and every action questions the state humans exist in, questioning whether the person that comes out of the stack is the same person who was put in there. This is just 'look at these pretty graphics and marvel at our clever ideas.'


I finished the series, and I hated parts and really enjoyed other bits, but this was the one thing I really didn't get, it seemed such a major thing about a copy just taking over, and they never really address it.


There were a lot of directions to take the story - I hope if there is a second series that they will actually go into some of the many things they skipped over quickly in this one.

I have a feeling that it won’t get the necessary uptake for a second series though.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:56 pm
by Tafdolphin
As I've finished Peaky Blinders I went back to this. Up to the end of Episode 3 and yeah, it's not getting any better. It's exploitative, cheap and nasty. In fact, its primary raison d'etre seem to be "lets see how nasty we can make the future." It revels in a sexist, teenage-boy view of the world it has created which it cannot even present in a clever way, resorting to copious tits and violence.

There's no deftness or invention to the writing, nor innovation in the aesthetics. It's Blade Runner passed through Black Mirror with the style and intelligence of neither. It's infuriating really: these people were given a fantastic set of novels as a baseline and a budget in the tens of millions and they made this.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:01 pm
by Death's Head
I've watched the first 2 episodes and finding it pretty boring, even though there are some titty and vag shots in the 2nd episode. Does this get any better?

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:08 pm
by Ad7
We've given up on it after three episode. Looks great but it's so boring.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:13 pm
by Tafdolphin
Death's Head wrote:I've watched the first 2 episodes and finding it pretty boring, even though there are some titty and vag shots in the 2nd episode. Does this get any better?


Tafdolphin wrote:As I've finished Peaky Blinders I went back to this. Up to the end of Episode 3 and yeah, it's not getting any better. It's exploitative, cheap and nasty. In fact, its primary raison d'etre seem to be "lets see how nasty we can make the future." It revels in a sexist, teenage-boy view of the world it has created which it cannot even present in a clever way, resorting to copious tits and violence.

There's no deftness or invention to the writing, nor innovation in the aesthetics. It's Blade Runner passed through Black Mirror with the style and intelligence of neither. It's infuriating really: these people were given a fantastic set of novels as a baseline and a budget in the tens of millions and they made this.


Up to episode 5, the above still stands

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:14 pm
by smurphy
Aye it's not all that good. Aside from some futuristic technology it does literally nothing with its setting. I love the way this guy gets cloned over and over and everyone just acts like he's living forever. Probably one of the most looked at themes in sci-fi and they just pretend it doesn't exist. It's nice to look at, and somewhat entertaining, but I really abhor wasted potential and this is that.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:57 pm
by Tineash
All that money and they picked such a trashy book to adapt. I like Joel Kinnaman, but not enough to carry on with this (very unsexy) nonsense.

Check out The Expanse if you haven't already!

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:03 pm
by Tafdolphin
Tineash wrote:All that money and they picked such a trashy book to adapt. I like Joel Kinnaman, but not enough to carry on with this (very unsexy) nonsense.

Check out The Expanse if you haven't already!


Eeeeh, I enjoyed the first book at least. It certainly had more to say than the Expanse books (which I also like, and which got a much better TV adaptation)

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:22 pm
by Tineash
I haven't read either - from just having seen both TV adaptations I've come away with the opposite impression. Interesting!

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:05 pm
by Oblomov Boblomov
I'm going to go against the grain here. I am really starting to enjoy this. Episode 7 is outstanding and episode 8 isn't far behind. Really looking forward to the denouement.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:48 am
by KjGarly
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I'm going to go against the grain here. I am really starting to enjoy this. Episode 7 is outstanding and episode 8 isn't far behind. Really looking forward to the denouement.


This.

Plus tits and clunge.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 1:28 am
by Lotus
Just finished watching this. Really enjoyed it. Generally liked the setting, the themes, the characters (with a few exceptions), and the different subplots. The different pacing between episodes was interesting and the way it's set up for another season has me interested for sure.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:05 pm
by Monkey Man
Renewed for Season 2 - https://deadline.com/2018/07/altered-ca ... 202434841/

Netflix also developing a Anime series -

Set in the same universe as the Netflix-live-action sci-fi series — which is currently in production — Altered Carbon
will explore new elements of the story mythology. The series comes from the animation studio, Anima and will be written by Dai Sato (Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo) and Tsukasa Kondo.

https://deadline.com/2018/11/netflix-an ... 202498191/

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 pm
by Meep
I wonder if they will have the same lead actor from the first season or will they have him back in his original body (or a copy of it, anyway). I quite like the actor who played him in the flashbacks so I'm fine with either.

Re: Altered Carbon | Cyberpunk x Netflix Series | Starts 2nd Feb

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:40 pm
by KjGarly
Meep wrote:I wonder if they will have the same lead actor from the first season or will they have him back in his original body (or a copy of it, anyway). I quite like the actor who played him in the flashbacks so I'm fine with either.


Joel Kinnerman won't be in it, Anthony Mackie (Falcon from the MCU) will be playing the new "sleeve"