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by Monkey Man » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:21 am

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Entelligence: The aftermath of E3
By Michael Gartenberg posted Jun 19th 2010 6:01PM

Last week's E3 show was pretty wild. All the major players upped their game quite a bit -- pun intended. Here's my breakdown of the show.

Microsoft: The folks in Redmond led the way with an intro launch party featuring a custom performance from Cirque de Soleil. That was just to warm things up -- when it came to actual announcements, Microsoft took a two-tiered approach. On one hand it's building on the success of long established titles like Gears of War, Fable and of course, Halo. On the other it's taking the time to re-boot the Xbox 360 with Kinect, which brings controller-free gaming to the platform, as well as adding voice and gesture controls. I think Kinect is a major leap forward in the gaming experience that will appeal to both mainstream and casual gamers. With a streamlined new Xbox 360 and an impressive set of launch titles debuting alongside, Kinect is more akin to a console launch than a peripheral. Overall, I'd say Microsoft is in the lead post-E3 and very well positioned for holiday.


Nintendo: Nintendo is taking a much different approach than it did last year -- the focus is all on games, with no mention of Wii Fit or any other odd peripherals. Wii titles like a new version of Zelda and an exclusive Mickey Mouse game looked pretty good, although the Wii experience is starting to feel dated. Instead of adding new tech to the platform, Nintendo's spending a lot of time with familiar franchises and updated some old N64 classics, like Goldeneye. It's a strategy that's worked well in the past, but it's starting starting to feel repetitive. Zelda? Mario? We've been there and done that.

On the mobile front, the DS is getting an upgrade to 3D -- and no glasses are required. The 3DS looks like a nice differentiated device but it's not clear to me that 3D isn't gimmick, and Nintendo wisely lets you dial down the 3D effect or even turn it off. The initial titles look good, and Kid Icarus and Starfox (yep, another SNES classic) both especially look like fun. However, no word was given on cost or release. A lot will depend on how well Nintendo gets this out the door and if the 3DS is available for holiday 2010. Overall, I'd say Nintendo walked out of E3 in second place.

Sony: Sony led off with the familiar tagline "it only does everything" tagline, and unfortunately, it's starting to feel like the PS3 is a jack of all trades and master of none. Sony's biggest PS3 push centered around 3D, which is impressive, but it requires new games, uncomfortable and expensive glasses and a new TV set to make it all work -- adding cost and hassle that seem to outweigh the benefits.

Sony's also getting big into motion control with the PlayStation Move, which is good effort but also costly. Start at $100 for the main controller with the Eye camera and Sports Champions, then add in $30 for a secondary controller. That's $130 for just one player, and for that you get an overall experience that's smooth but not better than what we've seen with the Wii. Sony is also looking to integrate motion control into controller based games, which might be a good way to leverage existing franchises but could also be the worst of both worlds from an experience standpoint. We'll have to see.

Sony also lauched Playstation Plus, a premium online service that Sony will introduce after spending years telling us it didn't believe in charging for a premium online service. The good news is that Playstation Network's free online service won't go away, but for $50 a year, gamers can get discounts on games, free content, early demos etc. It doesn't seem like a great value but we'll see how it fares. From my point of view, Sony's running third with a lot of technology, services and titles but not a whole lot of actual fun. Instead of focus, Sony seems all over the place with different strategies -- it feels like the company is throwing a lot against the wall to see what sticks.

Bottom line? It was a pretty impressive E3, arguably the most interesting show we've seen in years. Gamers have some really nice choices ahead of them, and all three major players have a chance to gain some ground over the holidays and pick up some new users. But there's a wildcard here -- Apple's recently made some big moves into gaming with their iOS platform, which has taken mobile game marketshare from both Sony and Nintendo. Will iOS make it to the TV screen on a new Apple TV, and if it does games come with it? The gaming market might change dramatically if that happens.


http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/19/ente ... ath-of-e3/

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by BID0 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:51 am

Seems biased. Nintendo > Microsoft = Sony

I'm still surprised Apple didn't show a revised AppleTV the other week. Maybe in the summer with the new iPods and iPad update?

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by Qikz » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:57 am

Hm, I wonder why? Their conference and what they had on offer was gooseberry fool.

Guess that free 360 worked out for Microsoft.

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by Bigerich » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:21 am

StayDead wrote:Guess that free 360 worked out for Microsoft.

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by bear » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:27 am

Hmm, topic title is pretty misleading.
Gartenberg doesn't work for Engadget full time and just does a column for them like Ross Rubin does. On top of that if you listen to the last Engadget podcast he was on his views on the Kin were pretty much opposite to what Joshua Topolosky ( author of Engadgets Kin review and senior editor at Engadget) thought of it. Its a bit of a leap to say Engagdet are saying Microsoft won E3 when you consider that.

StayDead wrote:Hm, I wonder why? Their conference and what they had on offer was gooseberry fool.

Guess that free 360 worked out for Microsoft.


I really wish people would stop coming out with shite like this. Simply googling Gartenbergs name will show that he wasn't at E3. Christ its depressing that people think so little of journalists that they assume that have all been bought off by Microsoft handing out a free 360. Someone even implied the same thing about rudderless thinking the Microsoft conference was good.

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by Mafro » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:25 am

gud 1 m8

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by rudderless » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:42 am

A 360 costs $299. Being a games journalist isn't one of the best-paid jobs in the world, but none of us is that poor that we can't afford a console and would be swung towards a particular company by a freebie.

I think the problem is with gadget/mainstream commentators perhaps being more receptive to Kinect than hardcore gamers. And perhaps a lot of that is down to the fact that they've actually played the thing instead of made assumptions based on a showcase during one media briefing.

I genuinely think people might be swayed towards Kinect when they've actually had a go of it. Before the show I was unconvinced, and while the software line-up was hardly first class, I saw enough to be excited about the tech.

Anyway, here's my round-up for The Observer should anyone be interested: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... -la-review

(There are a few subbing errors in there, mind. I certainly didn't say Kinect had been launched in my original piece.)

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by HSH28 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:26 am

Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?

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by rudderless » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:56 am

HSH28 wrote:Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?


Yes. My point still stands. It's competent enough, but there are myriad better first-person shooters out there. It just feels irrelevant.

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by Dual » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:15 am

It's like it's written by someone who shouldn't have been there.

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by rudderless » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:22 am

Dual wrote:It's like it's written by someone who shouldn't have been there.


How do you mean? Why shouldn't I have been there?

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by HSH28 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:25 am

rudderless wrote:
HSH28 wrote:Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?


Yes. My point still stands. It's competent enough, but there are myriad better first-person shooters out there. It just feels irrelevant.


That wasn't what I was getting at, just wondered how it played/looked.

When you say 'cometent enough' how is it compared to the last few Bond games?

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by rudderless » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:38 am

HSH28 wrote:
rudderless wrote:
HSH28 wrote:Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?


Yes. My point still stands. It's competent enough, but there are myriad better first-person shooters out there. It just feels irrelevant.


That wasn't what I was getting at, just wondered how it played/looked.


Looked like ass, played okay.

When you say 'cometent enough' how is it compared to the last few Bond games?


Can't say I've played any of them. I'm not a fan of Bond full stop.

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by Qikz » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:41 am

rudderless wrote:
HSH28 wrote:
rudderless wrote:
HSH28 wrote:Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?


Yes. My point still stands. It's competent enough, but there are myriad better first-person shooters out there. It just feels irrelevant.


That wasn't what I was getting at, just wondered how it played/looked.


Looked like ass, played okay.

When you say 'cometent enough' how is it compared to the last few Bond games?


Can't say I've played any of them. I'm not a fan of Bond full stop.


Well, no offense but I won't be listening to your opinions on Goldeneye then, not being rude or anything, but Goldeneye is definately going to be one of those games for a Nostalgia boost or those cool Bond moments that really get you like, woot! If you don't like Bond then you've lost half of the impact of the game already.

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by Dual » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:41 am

rudderless wrote:
Dual wrote:It's like it's written by someone who shouldn't have been there.


How do you mean? Why shouldn't I have been there?


:o Not your article! I meant the endgadget one!

And I was just meant that in the OP, some of the facts seem a bit off. And he seems to have glazed over a lot of positives from the conferences.

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by rudderless » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:42 am

StayDead wrote:Well, no offense but I won't be listening to your opinions on Goldeneye then, not being rude or anything, but Goldeneye is definately going to be one of those games for a Nostalgia boost or those cool Bond moments that really get you like, woot! If you don't like Bond then you've lost half of the impact of the game already.


I loved the original Goldeneye, though.

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by Yungstar 2006 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:08 pm

rudderless wrote:And perhaps a lot of that is down to the fact that they've actually played the thing instead of made assumptions based on a showcase during one media briefing.

I genuinely think people might be swayed towards Kinect when they've actually had a go of it. Before the show I was unconvinced, and while the software line-up was hardly first class, I saw enough to be excited about the tech.


thats one of the good things that came out of E3 for me, seeing so many changed views on Natal/Kinect once they had tried it.

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by Floex » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:54 pm

At this moment in time I cannot see myself picking up Kinect at launch. It looks utterly woeful but I just hope that with glimpses of work from Mizuguchi, I know Suda has expressed interest in the hardware and Kojima that we will start to see 'core' games in the not so distant future. In my head it seems a wonderful piece of hardware but in reality it couldn't be further from the truth at the moment

I loved the the scrolling with you fingers thing but that is not enough to make me put money down... pending how much it is :shifty:

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by Dalagonash » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:28 pm

rudderless wrote:
HSH28 wrote:Talking of the 'relatively poor third party lineup on Wii', did you get to see or play GoldenEye?


Yes. My point still stands. It's competent enough, but there are myriad better first-person shooters out there. It just feels irrelevant.


Was it playable in Single Player at all? I'm really interested in whether they've preserved being able to play it how you want ish in terms of all action of stealthing it.

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