Antisocial Behaviour

Igor wrote:Not quite the sort of thing I expect you're talking about, but the amount of dog gooseberry fool littering the pavements in the NW2 area of London is disgusting. Absolute scumbag banana splits, who probably struggle wiping their own rotten arseholes, casually leaving steaming piles of dog gooseberry fool everywhere. I've attributed it to the increase in the number of lockdown dogs.

This is the exact thing I'm talking about! It's all one of the same, just at different levels. I've just had to report fly tipping on my estate today which has been then for weeks. It's Broken Windows theory (decay invites further decay)

GRcade? More like BoomeRcade

Ecno wrote:

Igor wrote:Not quite the sort of thing I expect you're talking about, but the amount of dog gooseberry fool littering the pavements in the NW2 area of London is disgusting. Absolute scumbag banana splits, who probably struggle wiping their own rotten arseholes, casually leaving steaming piles of dog gooseberry fool everywhere. I've attributed it to the increase in the number of lockdown dogs.

This is the exact thing I'm talking about! It's all one of the same, just at different levels. I've just had to report fly tipping on my estate today which has been then for weeks. It's Broken Windows theory (decay invites further decay)

Broken Windows theory has been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -policing/

Moggy wrote:

Ecno wrote:

Igor wrote:Not quite the sort of thing I expect you're talking about, but the amount of dog gooseberry fool littering the pavements in the NW2 area of London is disgusting. Absolute scumbag banana splits, who probably struggle wiping their own rotten arseholes, casually leaving steaming piles of dog gooseberry fool everywhere. I've attributed it to the increase in the number of lockdown dogs.

This is the exact thing I'm talking about! It's all one of the same, just at different levels. I've just had to report fly tipping on my estate today which has been then for weeks. It's Broken Windows theory (decay invites further decay)

Broken Windows theory has been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -policing/

I actually don't think that article is very good or really understand what it's trying to say?- It doesn't really support the assertion that broken windows theory isn't true (that decay leads to more decay- this is at least the capacity I'm using it- and maybe I'm using it wrongly), but basically reaches the conclusion that because the Stanford researchers got carried way smashing their own car at the end everything is debunked.

I imagine it's written in the context of policy brutality in the US as a response to trying to crack down on vandalism etc - which I think is a different argument (the argument being hey lads maybe we shouldn't use deadly force to arrest people committing graffiti)- which is a worthwhile (and right) argument to make but the author doesn't seem confident in themselves to make that argument.

Looking at the comments it suggests that the author has cherry picked bits of the study to make their point as well and potentially misrepresented the conclusions. - If I ever have the time maybe I'll try and find and read the original study, though looking at Wikipedia there seems to be a Dutch study done in 2007/8 which supports the point I'm trying to make.

In this instance, there was fly tipping, it's sat for a month, in the mean time it's at there and people have dumped more and more stuff which I imagine they wouldn't do in the first place.

I imagine it's the same with dog gooseberry fool, everyone is leaving it so why be the mug who picks it up.

I also think you're wrong that it's an age thing (though undoubtedly it's part of it)- I think it's a Tory thing and the decline in police and council budgets.

Ecno wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Ecno wrote:

Igor wrote:Not quite the sort of thing I expect you're talking about, but the amount of dog gooseberry fool littering the pavements in the NW2 area of London is disgusting. Absolute scumbag banana splits, who probably struggle wiping their own rotten arseholes, casually leaving steaming piles of dog gooseberry fool everywhere. I've attributed it to the increase in the number of lockdown dogs.

This is the exact thing I'm talking about! It's all one of the same, just at different levels. I've just had to report fly tipping on my estate today which has been then for weeks. It's Broken Windows theory (decay invites further decay)

Broken Windows theory has been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -policing/

I actually don't think that article is very good or really understand what it's trying to say?- It doesn't really support the assertion that broken windows theory isn't true (that decay leads to more decay- this is at least the capacity I'm using it- and maybe I'm using it wrongly), but basically reaches the conclusion that because the Stanford researchers got carried way smashing their own car at the end everything is debunked.

I imagine it's written in the context of policy brutality in the US as a response to trying to crack down on vandalism etc - which I think is a different argument (the argument being hey lads maybe we shouldn't use deadly force to arrest people committing graffiti)- which is a worthwhile (and right) argument to make but the author doesn't seem confident in themselves to make that argument.

Looking at the comments it suggests that the author has cherry picked bits of the study to make their point as well and potentially misrepresented the conclusions. - If I ever have the time maybe I'll try and find and read the original study, though looking at Wikipedia there seems to be a Dutch study done in 2007/8 which supports the point I'm trying to make.

In this instance, there was fly tipping, it's sat for a month, in the mean time it's at there and people have dumped more and more stuff which I imagine they wouldn't do in the first place.

I imagine it's the same with dog gooseberry fool, everyone is leaving it so why be the mug who picks it up.

I also think you're wrong that it's an age thing (though undoubtedly it's part of it)- I think it's a Tory thing and the decline in police and council budgets.

You are of course free to believe what you like and the broken window theory does appear to make sense on a surface level. But it's been debunked countless times and the original study used false data.

And it's definitely an age thing. Name any year in the entirety of human history and you'll find middle aged people moaning about how society is worse and kids no longer have respect. But, sure, this time it really has.

Yeah I don't think it's an age thing rather than a location thing, like urban vs rural. I live in a tiny village and the only antisocial behaviour I remember reading about recently was actually a middle aged guy getting done for drink driving on Hogmanay.

edit: But actually yeah thinking on it I don't think there is a one size fits all answer on what causes anti social behaviour. If there was it would be swiftly solved. Every town is different.

Johnny Ryall wrote:Yeah I don't think it's an age thing rather than a location thing, like urban vs rural. I live in a tiny village and the only antisocial behaviour I remember reading about recently was actually a middle aged guy getting done for drink driving on Hogmanay.

Rural antisocial behaviour can differ that's for sure.

Especially when the various bonfire wankers start choking everyone with their thick blankets of smoke.

This area is sorta half urban half rural, so we get a wider range of dickheads.

Vermilion wrote:

Johnny Ryall wrote:Yeah I don't think it's an age thing rather than a location thing, like urban vs rural. I live in a tiny village and the only antisocial behaviour I remember reading about recently was actually a middle aged guy getting done for drink driving on Hogmanay.

Rural antisocial behaviour can differ that's for sure.

Especially when the various bonfire wankers start choking everyone with their thick blankets of smoke.

This area is sorta half urban half rural, so we get a wider range of dickheads.

The trouble in rural areas is the police can't catch the worst antisocial louts.

Moggy wrote:

Vermilion wrote:

Johnny Ryall wrote:Yeah I don't think it's an age thing rather than a location thing, like urban vs rural. I live in a tiny village and the only antisocial behaviour I remember reading about recently was actually a middle aged guy getting done for drink driving on Hogmanay.

Rural antisocial behaviour can differ that's for sure.

Especially when the various bonfire wankers start choking everyone with their thick blankets of smoke.

This area is sorta half urban half rural, so we get a wider range of dickheads.

The trouble in rural areas is the police can't catch the worst antisocial louts.

That's why sometimes further action needs to be taken, it's all for the greater good.

What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

It rapidly went downhill when I left. Rubix and Captain Red Dog just can't run it the way I did.

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

Still better then Swindon!

Moggy wrote:

Ecno wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Ecno wrote:

Igor wrote:Not quite the sort of thing I expect you're talking about, but the amount of dog gooseberry fool littering the pavements in the NW2 area of London is disgusting. Absolute scumbag banana splits, who probably struggle wiping their own rotten arseholes, casually leaving steaming piles of dog gooseberry fool everywhere. I've attributed it to the increase in the number of lockdown dogs.

This is the exact thing I'm talking about! It's all one of the same, just at different levels. I've just had to report fly tipping on my estate today which has been then for weeks. It's Broken Windows theory (decay invites further decay)

Broken Windows theory has been thoroughly debunked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -policing/

I actually don't think that article is very good or really understand what it's trying to say?- It doesn't really support the assertion that broken windows theory isn't true (that decay leads to more decay- this is at least the capacity I'm using it- and maybe I'm using it wrongly), but basically reaches the conclusion that because the Stanford researchers got carried way smashing their own car at the end everything is debunked.

I imagine it's written in the context of policy brutality in the US as a response to trying to crack down on vandalism etc - which I think is a different argument (the argument being hey lads maybe we shouldn't use deadly force to arrest people committing graffiti)- which is a worthwhile (and right) argument to make but the author doesn't seem confident in themselves to make that argument.

Looking at the comments it suggests that the author has cherry picked bits of the study to make their point as well and potentially misrepresented the conclusions. - If I ever have the time maybe I'll try and find and read the original study, though looking at Wikipedia there seems to be a Dutch study done in 2007/8 which supports the point I'm trying to make.

In this instance, there was fly tipping, it's sat for a month, in the mean time it's at there and people have dumped more and more stuff which I imagine they wouldn't do in the first place.

I imagine it's the same with dog gooseberry fool, everyone is leaving it so why be the mug who picks it up.

I also think you're wrong that it's an age thing (though undoubtedly it's part of it)- I think it's a Tory thing and the decline in police and council budgets.

You are of course free to believe what you like and the broken window theory does appear to make sense on a surface level. But it's been debunked countless times and the original study used false data.

And it's definitely an age thing. Name any year in the entirety of human history and you'll find middle aged people moaning about how society is worse and kids no longer have respect. But, sure, this time it really has.

At the weekend I will read Zimbardo's study, the Kelling/Wilson follow up, and the Keizer (the Dutch study) paper as well as the O'Brien rebuttal.*

It's obviously very difficult to run a large data experiment with adequate controls (partly because you'd have to condemn some residents to misery) , but the single point study going on outside my window and the estate facebook group is showing that one act of fly tipping has led to more acts of fly tipping in the last month, then the prior 2 years of me living here.

(I had some nuance about crime rates to write- mainly that they're unreliable, in general they are going down- you're right on that, but there's been spikes in knife crime in London- i.e. where I live!)- but tbh I just wanted to make my joke about my single data point experiment, and got a bit bored/work got in the way of me looking at ONS Crime tables)

*Edit: I probably won't- but like to feel like I will.

When I lived in Bristol there was more than one occasion where we had to wait upwards of an hour and a half for the police to arrive because they were all diverted to riots in Southmead. That was normal, just a thing that happened sometimes.

If there was a riot where I live now (which is far from a crime-free utopia) it’d still be talked about several generations from now.

While we are on the subject of Bristol.

Moggy wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

It rapidly went downhill when I left.

Did you go back to Yate?

Vermilion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

It rapidly went downhill when I left.

Did you go back to Yate?

How strawberry floating dare you.

Moggy wrote:While we are on the subject of Bristol.

A friend of mine who still lives there recently asked if you can even be considered a Bristolian if you’ve never seen a tramp gooseberry fool in a carrier bag and it turns out a surprising number of us have.

Rubix wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

Still better then Swindon!

I'd rather go back to Helmand Province than back to Swindon.

SEP wrote:

Rubix wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:What I'm learning from this thread is Bristol is just a shithole

Still better then Swindon!

I'd rather go back to Helmand Province than back to Swindon.