Après La Mort – AYAFF? Death Thread

[Oblomov Boblomov]

For some reason, it's really hard for my frazzled brain to think this through without getting confused, but I had believed the sacrificial play opened up the prospect of a FF win by ensuring two kills tonight, meaning if the Citizens lynch a fellow Citizen tomorrow, it's all over for them.

[sawyerpip]

This is the way I figure it, based on the town saying they only have one FF unidentified:

5 v 2 v 1

lynch nc

5 v 1 v 1

2 night kills

3 v 1 v 1

lynch ff

3 v 1 v 0

1 night kill

2 v 1

lynch ?

2 v 0 town win OR 1 v 1 FF win

5 v 2 v 1

lynch jc

5 v 2 v 0

1 night kill

4 v 2 v 0

lynch ff

4 v 1 v 0

1 night kill

3 v 1 v 0

lynch ?

3 v 0 town win OR 2 v 1

1 night kill

1 v 1 FF win

So regardless of whether NC or JC got lynched today it comes down to the final lynch the day after tomorrow being a 50/50. Which I would have thought meant the NC should have hoped for a JC lynch today if anything, guaranteeing them the win if the town lynches wrong. The sacrifice play just keeps the JC in the game without increasing the chances of a FF win?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the town know, it's impossible to tell without seeing PMs

There is also the possibility that they lynch a villager tomorrow and so there are two night kills both today and tomorrow. However I think that we overlooked the mayoral protection tomorrow so it can't come down to 1 FF of each faction as we initially thought, which is disappointing.

[Sprouty]

I am hoping for a town win here, but if the Freedom Fighters do manage to win it, I hope it's through joining together and stealing the role of Mayor tomorrow. It would be a bold move, but with 40% only requiring 2 votes, it is achievable and would be a very entertaining way for the game to end.

[sawyerpip]

I am hoping for a town win here, but if the Freedom Fighters do manage to win it, I hope it's through joining together and stealing the role of Mayor tomorrow. It would be a bold move, but with 40% only requiring 2 votes, it is achievable and would be a very entertaining way for the game to end.

Oh yes I forgot about this possibility which would then result in one of each FF left I believe? So would depend whether the FFs stick to their assumed agreement and kill villagers. The JC kills second and so could kill the NC and claim victory for their team solely.

If there was one of each faction left, would you declare a joint win Ob? Or would the NC win as they kill first in the night phase? Or would it come down to whoever voted for themselves as mayor first to win with 50% of the vote

[Clarkman]

This is the really cool thing about victory in death in these games. Big plays like Sawyer's keep everyone invested and motivated to be bold.

[OrangeRKN]

It's currently 5 v 1 v 1

If both of tonight's night kills target the town it goes

3 v 1 v 1

If the town then miscondemn tomorrow it goes

2 v 1 v 1

Then it gets interesting because mayoral immunity means even with 2 night kills the FFs can't take out the town.

NC kills first so gets to control how things play out.

They can kill the one vulnerable town member, but if they do this and take it 1 v 1 v 1 the JC will use their kill on NC to take the win.

They can kill the other JC FF, but if they do this that takes it 2 v 1 and town will win.

The only winning move for the NC is to not do a night kill and force the JC to kill the vulnerable town member instead to take it 1 v 1 v 1.

In the next day phase the town have already lost but the surviving town member (the mayor from the previous day) gets to choose which faction wins as they have the deciding vote for the new mayor, who will choose to lynch the other faction FF. Which would be a very weird ending

[sawyerpip]

Then it gets interesting because mayoral immunity means even with 2 night kills the FFs can't take out the town.

Yeah I had overlooked the Mayoral protection tomorrow Interested to see how this plays out though.

I'm sure I told Hugo what his cake did on Saturday, why would he expect to turn a colour as the etang doesn't turn a colour for loyal citizens.

Ob is right that they should have baked the etang cake today and made someone unverified eat it. What would the third cake have done out of interest?

[Sprouty]

Then it gets interesting because mayoral immunity means even with 2 night kills the FFs can't take out the town.

Yeah I had overlooked the Mayoral protection tomorrow Interested to see how this plays out though.

I'm sure I told Hugo what his cake did on Saturday, why would he expect to turn a colour as the etang doesn't turn a colour for loyal citizens.

Ob is right that they should have baked the etang cake today and made someone unverified eat it. What would the third cake have done out of interest?

I'm guessing some sort of hot sticky creamy mess!

[Parksey]

This is the really cool thing about victory in death in these games. Big plays like Sawyer's keep everyone invested and motivated to be bold.

Yeah, I think it's been a really interesting game and set up. You wouldn't think it was OB's first attempy at it, and he was juggling it with a newborn (though it's highly likely the newborn has been severely deprived of affection and care these last few days and will be permanently emotionally scarred).

[Parksey]

To be fair, I think Hugo might also end up that way if the village lose.

[Jenuall]

To be fair juggling babies rarely ends well

[Memento Mori]

This is the really cool thing about victory in death in these games. Big plays like Sawyer's keep everyone invested and motivated to be bold.

Yeah, I think it's been a really interesting game and set up. You wouldn't think it was OB's first attempy at it, and he was juggling it with a newborn (though it's highly likely the newborn has been severely deprived of affection and care these last few days and will be permanently emotionally scarred).

Indeed, he's been a good gamesmaster. Always nice for more people to realise the amount of work required to run these as well.

[Keanu Reeves]

Ob's played a blinder with this, he's got a lot on his plate so it was very good of him to run this - I hope he's enjoyed it. No criticisms from me either, I thought the game was well balanced and unique. Well done mate!

[OrangeRKN]

Yeah it's been thoroughly thought through! Wish I had been a Freedom Fighter as I think being in a faction and having to strategise around that would have been very interesting, that's been the more significantly different side of the game than being a villager (especially dying before that twist even became known). I'm not so convinced on the etang mechanic as while it isn't broken or imbalanced I think it railroads both the lynch vote and the night kills a little too much so there is less room for discussion outside of logically who to put in it. That's not criticism against Ob though, he's run the game brilliantly!

[Jenuall]

Absolutely, hats off to Ob for a fantastic debut game!

I've had the outline of an AYA game sketched out for a while now but I just keep avoiding it because I fear the time commitment required to run it is just beyond my scope at the moment so I've got huge respect for anyone that manages to pull these things off!

[Ironhide]

Yeah, it's been a really well thought out game this time, Ob Bob has done well.

Its up there with the one Karl ran (When the larvae moults) and the one where I was the alpha (that was so stressful I never want to do it again).

[Keanu Reeves]

Nothing will ever top the alphabetical order infection game, but this wasn't a kick in the arse off.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

You guys it's all been worth it to see how much so many of you have enjoyed it .

Third cake was a single-use bodyguard power (couldn't self-protect).

[Mommy Christmas]

This game has turned out brilliantly. A real cliff hanger scenario to wrap it up to.
Well done OB.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Well played, my Loyal Citizen!

Welcome to Heaven!