Are Sony starting to fall foul of their own hubris?

Neither have I Nick has a weird obsession of that place. I just go by places that have similar tatse to mine and word of mouth.

I just buy all the games and play what I can when I can.

Pedz wrote:I just buy all the games and play what I can when I can.

What do you mean by "all the games"?

It was a joke.

I've always looked out for reviews in order to get a rough idea of the gameplay style and the quality... but I never use them as a sole criterion for buying. I'm willing to forgive ropey graphics or a degree of jank if the gameplay or idea is up my street.

These days if it doesn't get consistent high reviews I won't chance it, I just don't have the time.

Last 4 games I've bought have been Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8, Mario Odyssey and God of War.

I could've tried something like Detroit, but I might've risked wasting time and money. Plus with the limited time I've had I'm only half way through God of War, plus I've played PES and Mario Kart throughout the year.

The Fortnite stuff is rough. Not fussed about cross play but having my account locked is crap.

NickSCFC wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:I haven't used Metacritic ever when it comes to choosing what games I'm buying. Not once. Now I know that might be a difficult concept for you to grasp Nick, being as you won't so much as look at anything that's averages less than 80% on the site, but there it is.

Doesn't matter, your argument was about Sony not having better games than Microsoft, if you can't use Metacritic than what other metric CAN you use?

Gemini73 wrote:I can't imagine how many games you have very likely missed out on over the years because your overlords at Metacritic told you to.

Yeah because most normal people have all day to sit and play every game ever released to figure out which ones are good or not. I still haven't had enough time to finish God of War yet.

I buy what ever I like the look of. Metacritic doesn't even come into it.

And what do you mean by "normal people"? I work full time, I've a home and family. You don't get much more normal than that and yet I always find time to play the games I want to. And who said you have to play every single game ever released to find ones you'll enjoy? Nice strawman. Maybe you should better manage your game time.

If I see a game on offer that I've not previously looked at I will definitely rely on something like metacritic to decide whether to purchase.

KjGarly wrote:I for one have never ever based a purchase on what metacritic score its received. I've spent 78 hours on State Of Decay 2, enjoyed it a lot and still working towards my last 3 achievements yet that game only has a meta score of 67. Go figure.

This is a good example of why Metacritic is a crock. I like zombie games, I like survival games. SoD 2 ticked both these boxes and once the patch dropped fixing many of the issues therein I took a chance based on the two above genres that I know I enjoy. As it turns out I and haven't regretted my purchase one bit. Great game.

On the other hand Horizon Zero Dawn is one of the few times I made a purchase based on positive reviews alone only to become bored with it in just a few hours. Now I generally enjoy 3rd person adventure games but there was something about HZD that wasn't clicking, nevertheless I listened to gushing reviews rather than my own gut instinct and ended up with a game I didn't like.

Gemini73 wrote:

KjGarly wrote:I for one have never ever based a purchase on what metacritic score its received. I've spent 78 hours on State Of Decay 2, enjoyed it a lot and still working towards my last 3 achievements yet that game only has a meta score of 67. Go figure.

This is a good example of why Metacritic is a crock. I like zombie games, I like survival games. SoD 2 ticked both these boxes and once the patch dropped fixing many of the issues therein I took a chance based on the two above genres that I know I enjoy. As it turns out I and haven't regretted my purchase one bit. Great game.

On the other hand Horizon Zero Dawn is one of the few times I made a purchase based on positive reviews alone only to become bored with it in just a few hours. Now I generally enjoy 3rd person adventure games but there was something about HZD that wasn't clicking, nevertheless I listened to gushing reviews rather than my own gut instinct and ended up with a game I didn't like.

Just out of interest, did you give up on HZD after the first few hours? I also found it a bit boring during this time but after pushing through this, I'm actually enjoying the game.

Was it you who also didn't enjoy Until Dawn? Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Death's Head wrote:
Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Really, you're going down that path? What is this, the Eurogamer comments section?

Gemini73 wrote:

Death's Head wrote:
Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Really, you're going down that path? What is this, the Eurogamer comments section?

He's right though. I've seen you in all the PS4 threads posting gifs of Ace Ventura gagging.

Gemini73 wrote:

Death's Head wrote:
Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Really, you're going down that path? What is this, the Eurogamer comments section? [emoji38]

Not at all. Why not just answer the question? Another related question, do you get the majority of your multi format titles on the X1 or PS4? It could be that you simply prefer the X1.

Death's Head wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

Death's Head wrote:
Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Really, you're going down that path? What is this, the Eurogamer comments section? [emoji38]

Not at all. Why not just answer the question? Another related question, do you get the majority of your multi format titles on the X1 or PS4? It could be that you simply prefer the X1.

PC is my primary gaming platform

PS4 is my main console and also my prefered platform for multi format titles (current count 18 digital, 10 physical), unless I pick them up on said PC. I've enjoyed many a PS4 exclusive including GT Sport which is marvellous and The Order, which many weren't that keen on and I was somewhat disappointed that the games lack of success resulted in any sequels continuing the tale were canned

My X1S came to me very late into this generation and aside from games of multiplayer on Ghosts and BLOPS 3, taking advantage of BC and exclusives Recore and the more recent SoD 2, is used less than said platforms above.

Now, if you're done with your little interrogation kindly go strawberry float yourself. I'm outta here. I've got games to play which is far more preferable to banging skulls with a bunch of console warriors.

Death's Head wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

KjGarly wrote:I for one have never ever based a purchase on what metacritic score its received. I've spent 78 hours on State Of Decay 2, enjoyed it a lot and still working towards my last 3 achievements yet that game only has a meta score of 67. Go figure.

This is a good example of why Metacritic is a crock. I like zombie games, I like survival games. SoD 2 ticked both these boxes and once the patch dropped fixing many of the issues therein I took a chance based on the two above genres that I know I enjoy. As it turns out I and haven't regretted my purchase one bit. Great game.

On the other hand Horizon Zero Dawn is one of the few times I made a purchase based on positive reviews alone only to become bored with it in just a few hours. Now I generally enjoy 3rd person adventure games but there was something about HZD that wasn't clicking, nevertheless I listened to gushing reviews rather than my own gut instinct and ended up with a game I didn't like.

Just out of interest, did you give up on HZD after the first few hours? I also found it a bit boring during this time but after pushing through this, I'm actually enjoying the game.

Was it you who also didn't enjoy Until Dawn? Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Was the same experience as you Deaths regarding HZD. Pretty game that bored me till I hit a certain point in the story then it was just excellent.

the eponymous bollock wrote:Thought this might be an interesting discussion following an E3 in which the strongly prevailing opinion is that Microsoft knocked it out of the park whereas Sony flubbed it?

A couple of points to possibly support this view:
- Starting their E3 presser in a strawberry floating church they built just to demonstrate TLoU2 then expecting people to be happy hanging around while they shifted a few hundred people to another theatre.
- Continually being tone deaf on community desire for crossplay support.
- Falling behind MS on ecosystem QoL stuff like backwards compatibility, name changes, general PSN jank.
- No 4K Blu-ray drive.
- Answering the Fortnite account blocking outcry with a statement basically gonna saying ‘look how many PS4s we’ve sold’.

I’ll leave personal thoughts on any of those for a while, but does any of this start to suggest we might be seeing the beginning of a stumble similar to the beginning of the PS3 era?

Or, are Sony at such a strong position with their first party exclusives that any of the above is just inconsequential?

I think yes, to a degree. Sony's E3 conference this year was very poorly paced, but I don't think that is a result of any perceived arrogance. I think they tried something new and it fell very flat. They do have a lot of announced projects that look amazing though, so I wasn't disappointed that they focused on these. Big announcements are great fun, but perhaps extended game play trailers are actually more worthy, after the initial buzz.

I don't really care about cross play and I can totally understand why the market leader wouldn't want to support it. If the tables were turned I highly doubt MS would be on board.

They could certainly do better here. I like the UI on the PS4 and PSN works well, it could be a bit quicker though and name changes would be nice for those who have ridiculous ones. They have fallen behind in terms of backwards compatibility, there is no doubt. I am not too bothered about this and I can see why they have made this decision, as each of their systems have had very different architecture. This is not the case for MS and BC is a far easier and cheaper prospect for them. I am hoping for PS4 BC on the PS5, but I would have little interest in revisiting PS1 to 3 games. I realise this is a personal view and it would be nice to see a more comprehensive BC solution.

No 4K drive has not bothered me and it's arguable that it would be a fairly niche inclusion. It would have been a good addition, but I would rather have a cheaper console, with some 4K ability for games, given the option.

There is no defense for the final point you raise; Sony should absolutely relent here. I'm not sure what the gain is for them and it's bad PR as well as being anti consumer.

The further point about top Sony execs not talking to the press does not sit well with me, they have always been open before, this is curious turn of events and not a positive one.

I would say however, that the PS4 has provided and continues to provide a fantastic stable of exclusives and, for me at least, this is the defining factor for when making a purchase decision pertaining to consoles.

Samuel_1 wrote:I don't really care about cross play and I can totally understand why the market leader wouldn't want to support it. If the tables were turned I highly doubt MS would be on board.

Phil Spencer said to Jeff Gerstman that if the tables were turned he would not take the same position Sony has. He does of course have the luxury of not having to back it up.

Gemini73 wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

Death's Head wrote:
Maybe you just have a dislike of Sony exclusives etched into your DNA. Have you enjoyed any of them?

Really, you're going down that path? What is this, the Eurogamer comments section? [emoji38]

Not at all. Why not just answer the question? Another related question, do you get the majority of your multi format titles on the X1 or PS4? It could be that you simply prefer the X1.

PC is my primary gaming platform

PS4 is my main console and also my prefered platform for multi format titles (current count 18 digital, 10 physical), unless I pick them up on said PC. I've enjoyed many a PS4 exclusive including GT Sport which is marvellous and The Order, which many weren't that keen on and I was somewhat disappointed that the games lack of success resulted in any sequels continuing the tale were canned

My X1S came to me very late into this generation and aside from games of multiplayer on Ghosts and BLOPS 3, taking advantage of BC and exclusives Recore and the more recent SoD 2, is used less than said platforms above.

Now, if you're done with your little interrogation kindly go strawberry float yourself. I'm outta here. I've got games to play which is far more preferable to banging skulls with a bunch of console warriors.

Slightly uncalled for comments. Was just asking whether there were any PS4 exclusives you liked and whether you bought multi platform titles on the X1.

Gemini73 wrote:.

Have something to eat whilst playing those games. You'll feel better.