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PostRe: Are you religious? by **SEP** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:37 am

I like Karlprof's Balloon Universe theory. I now live in fear of The Great Pin Of Destiny.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **That** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:41 am

There is also the Expanding Bread With Raisins In It model, which is equally valid.

Metaphor for the expansion of the universe

PostRe: Are you religious? by **SEP** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:42 am

So now the universe is tasty?

PostRe: Are you religious? by **That** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:44 am

If you like bread with raisins in it, I assume so.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Carlos** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:15 am

MCN wrote:So now the universe is tasty?

Wasnt there some cake-based arguement/joke halfway into this this thread? I like the idea we are all Pilsbury dough people.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Carlos** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:19 am

Carlos wrote:
Moggy wrote:
MCN wrote:
Moggy wrote:I prefer option 3 as it is much less depressing!

3) We were all created by a giant baker. When we die we all go to a giant bakery and get as much cake as we like! There is proof for this in most bakeries in the form of small gingerbread men. They are placed there by the giant baker in order to show us the way of the true faith.

An intriguing theory. I wish to hear more. Do you have a newsletter?

Blasphemy!

There it is, P14. The bread expansion lays credibility to the bakerism arguement :lol:

PostRe: Are you religious? by **SEP** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:30 am

Carlos wrote:
MCN wrote:So now the universe is tasty?

Wasnt there some cake-based arguement/joke halfway into this this thread? I like the idea we are all Pilsbury dough people.

This certainly sounds like my kind of religion.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Slartibartfast** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:36 pm

Skarjo wrote:
Donk wrote:The universe has NOT always existed though. It began.

The universe as we know it had a starting point, but there's nothing to suggest the matter involved hadn't existed infinitely before it.

Or, indeed, that the explosion/collapse cycle we're currently part of has not been happening over and over again since infinity.

The mind boggles at the sheer scale of what might be possible once we stop letting God constrain our imagination.

There's no need for matter to have existed either - since matter is energy related by e=mc^2, a singularity of immense energy will create matter as time passes. Indeed, as I recall, atoms only started to precipitate out after the initial expansion of the universe.

It's fascinating stuff, which leads me to quote this fellow:

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" ~ Douglas Adams

PostRe: Are you religious? by **aayl1** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:02 pm

I am also an atheist.

Let's be cool together.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Extralife** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:11 pm

What confuses me about the expanding universe thing is, since space is curved on the fourth dimention (so if you travel in a straight line in 3D space you eventually end up where you started), then as space expands does it add space to the edge of the universe or does all of the universe simultaniously obtain more space and spead out?

PostRe: Are you religious? by **That** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:15 pm

The expansion of the universe is driven by spacial inertia, which means that, in theory, everything is moving apart from eachother as everything travels away from the point of the Big Bang. However, gravity can and frequently does overcome this inertia: the Earth is not slowly being ripped apart by the expansion of the universe, for example. It's gravitationally bound. The Earth is as part of the galaxy moving away from [almost] all other galaxies, though.

So I guess the direct answer to your question is that the new space is 'formed' uniformally throughout the universe as everything on a cosmological scale moves away from everything else.

At least, such is my understanding.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Skarjo** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:17 pm

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Carlos** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:59 pm

Extralife wrote:What confuses me about the expanding universe thing is, since space is curved on the fourth dimention (so if you travel in a straight line in 3D space you eventually end up where you started), then as space expands does it add space to the edge of the universe or does all of the universe simultaniously obtain more space and spead out?

Maybe space is infinite and the universe has no edge, and the galaxies are being flung apart from each other and just keep going forever. There can be no edge if reality followed by an infinite void if nothing because nothing by definition does not exist, meaning the universe is no balloon, but rather like the particles from one big universal sneeze being flung ever outwards. That makes more sense.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **SEP** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:02 pm

Extralife wrote:What confuses me about the expanding universe thing is, since space is curved on the fourth dimention (so if you travel in a straight line in 3D space you eventually end up where you started), then as space expands does it add space to the edge of the universe or does all of the universe simultaniously obtain more space and spead out?

Wait a second, has that been proven? Because I'd hardly cite Asteroids as a reliable source for this.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Carlos** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:15 pm

MCN wrote:
Extralife wrote:What confuses me about the expanding universe thing is, since space is curved on the fourth dimention (so if you travel in a straight line in 3D space you eventually end up where you started), then as space expands does it add space to the edge of the universe or does all of the universe simultaniously obtain more space and spead out?

Wait a second, has that been proven? Because I'd hardly cite Asteroids as a reliable source for this.

Given that faster than light speed is impossible due to becoming infinately heavy at the point of C and therefore deccellerating I alw
always assumed that was a theory. Isn't time the 4th dimension?

PostRe: Are you religious? by **DeckardRunner** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:31 pm

basing my ignorance on a BBC2 television programme, isn't someone trying to prove that the universe is in a shape of a doughnut?

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Jax** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:44 pm

MCN wrote:
Jaxley wrote:It's pretty amazing to think about how much humanity must not actually know about the universe. For as much as we know, it might as well be nothing.

And personally, I think it is better to try and found out the real answers, rather than making stuff up.

Yes, definitely. But making stuff up was a long time ago, and you know how humans like to be nostalgic.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Xeno** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:49 pm

DeckardRunner wrote:basing my ignorance on a BBC2 television programme, isn't someone trying to prove that the universe is in a shape of a doughnut?

Iirc that was a theory but last I heard they think its more saddle shaped.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Skarjo** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:45 pm

MCN wrote:
Extralife wrote:What confuses me about the expanding universe thing is, since space is curved on the fourth dimention (so if you travel in a straight line in 3D space you eventually end up where you started), then as space expands does it add space to the edge of the universe or does all of the universe simultaniously obtain more space and spead out?

Wait a second, has that been proven? Because I'd hardly cite Asteroids as a reliable source for this.

Of course it's not been proven! We've only just made it to the bloody moon! Let alone the other side of the known universe.

It's one theory as to what's at the 'end' of the universe. I'd never given it any creedence at all until someone posted those videos about what consitutes the 10 dimensions, and then the demonstration about how an ant walking on a twisted loop of paper could essentially walk a 2D path 'bent' in the third dimension and eventually get back to it's starting point without ever turning around. By extension of the same logic, a 3D universe 'folded' through the 4th dimension could allow a 3D object to travel in a straight line and eventually end up where it started without ever going back on itself.

Those videos were ace.

PostRe: Are you religious? by **Cuttooth** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:46 pm

I need to see these videos now.

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