Are you religious?

Skarjo wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Skarjo wrote:

Carlos wrote:150 Years ago Scientists started to be curious as to how life began...

No offence, but when a post starts stating that science is 150 years old, I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest.

Ah, who am I kidding, of course I read it.

At least Carlos has left behind creationism and settled for awkward, ill-fitting shoe-horning of religious ideas into proper scientific frameworks. It's a step forward, I suppose.

Just be glad im not the pope. Then we'd all be in trouble!

Skarjo wrote:

Igor wrote:Just to add something.. When BoobyDigital said that we are just as dumb and ignorant as we were 2000 years ago, I don't necessarily think he was referring to the knowledge we have acquired... As a species, we are ignorant, we are dumb, we are arrogant, we are foolish. Just because someone can do their nine times tables in their head doesn't mean they won't touch the hot stove without thinking.

Yes, but if you're suggesting BOOBYD meant something that philosophical, then you've clearly never read one of his posts.

Hairy muff...

Skarjo wrote:Ah, who am I kidding, of course I read it.

At least Carlos has left behind creationism and settled for awkward, ill-fitting shoe-horning of religious ideas into proper scientific frameworks. It's a step forward, I suppose.

Why do you call it "ill-fitting shoe-horning of religious ideas into proper scientific frameworks"? I think you'll find that the majority of Christians don't take everything in the bible literally. And who's to say what the 'proper' way of looking at a religion is.

For some people, religion is more a source of inspiration then a fixed set of rules.

God, what have I gotten myself into. *slips out of thread*

Carlos wrote:I believe God created the universe in 6 'stages', starting with the big bang and allowing evolution to take its course before reaching down to a primitive mankind and giving him a soul and the prospect of eternal life after death. Mankind mistranslated this to mean days just as he seems to think that God looks like Man. 'God created man is his own image and gave him a soul'. God is a spiritual being and as above, niether male/autobot/x-man/insect/jedi.

You just made this up didn't you? If you didn't, how do you know God is a spiritual being? How did you draw this conclusion?

As I said earlier, as soon as man starts hypothesising as to what god is then it invalidates their arguement, as it is just their point of view, which is constructed on vapours, lies, rumours, chinese whispers and their own culture/society.

Dandy Kong wrote:

Skarjo wrote:Ah, who am I kidding, of course I read it.

At least Carlos has left behind creationism and settled for awkward, ill-fitting shoe-horning of religious ideas into proper scientific frameworks. It's a step forward, I suppose.

Why do you call it "ill-fitting shoe-horning of religious ideas into proper scientific frameworks"? I think you'll find that the majority of Christians don't take everything in the bible literally. And who's to say what the 'proper' way of looking at a religion is.

For some people, religion is more a source of inspiration then a fixed set of rules.

God, what have I gotten myself into. *slips out of thread*

I think the majority do not speak out leaving only the crackpots to voice their opinions. Thus we have an american population that apparently has a 50% creationism belief (compared to 2% of scientists) and celebrity atheists like Richard Dawkins who seem to love lording it over anyone they disagree with and make it their lifes work to call everyone who believes in a God of some sort Dilusional.

Most Atheists surely just quietly let religions get on with it so long as they dont hurt them and vice-versa.

Creationism is a political belief, not a scientific one created to gain media exposure for the church and ultimately more non-thinking gullible people and ultimately more money. Never was a creationism belief examined by science before the mass public. I love how the american courts recently threw out a case of a mormon couple sueing a school for not allowing creationism to be taught in school. The courts saw creationism as a religious belief, and not an exact science and therefore unconstitutional to teach in the classroom!

OnlyShallow wrote:

Carlos wrote:I believe God created the universe in 6 'stages', starting with the big bang and allowing evolution to take its course before reaching down to a primitive mankind and giving him a soul and the prospect of eternal life after death. Mankind mistranslated this to mean days just as he seems to think that God looks like Man. 'God created man is his own image and gave him a soul'. God is a spiritual being and as above, niether male/autobot/x-man/insect/jedi.

You just made this up didn't you? If you didn't, how do you know God is a spiritual being? How did you draw this conclusion?

As I said earlier, as soon as man starts hypothesising as to what god is then it invalidates their arguement, as it is just their point of view, which is constructed on vapours, lies, rumours, chinese whispers and their own culture/society.

Aye, it is just my hypothesis:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him

I interpret this to mean that God gave a bunch of cave-dwelling tree beasts a soul and this in turn gave him spirituality and the power to go to the afterlife when he dies and also sentience to question his existence and be curious about the universe he inhabits. It is not only arrogant to think God looks like us but also a bit stupid. God doesnt look like a man, man gets his image from the creatures he evolved from.

Its a personal belief and nothing more.

I went for around 17 years not believing in anything like a God until I began Philosophy. I dont believe in the Christian bible..etc.. but I believe in some sort of God/Creator/Diety.

I guess I cant comprehend that we were just created by chance, by science there must be a purpose of life..etc.. And it must be a creator. But then again this leads to more problems.

But meh theres something, even if its "Powers That Be".

Anung Un Rama wrote:Why does there need to be a purpose, why cant we just be!

i just don't accept that "just be" it makes no sense

gaminglegend wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Why does there need to be a purpose, why cant we just be!

i just don't accept that "just be" it makes no sense

It does if you accept that life itself is merely the result of a set of accidents, that eventually happened coincidentally.

gaminglegend wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Why does there need to be a purpose, why cant we just be!

i just don't accept that "just be" it makes no sense

Unfortunately, it makes absolutely perfect sense. I think it's more a case of you not wanting to accept it, rather that being unable to.

Anung Un Rama wrote:It makes more sense than what half you people believe in.

I dont see how believing that some purpose to life or something that created us makes less sense than the scientific more realistic view of the "big bang"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Horizon_problem

Too lazy to care.

(No)

Anung Un Rama wrote:People need to accept cold hard fact.

Again, fact does not equal 100% certainty. Only what is observable to the point that it can be concluded that it is truth beyond a reasonable doubt. Drop a ball, and it can be concluded that it will fall. Doesn't mean that it definitely won't fall up.

I also find it hard to believe that the idea of a creator is anymore outlandish that the idea that everything just... Happened. I suppose you could argue this with the idea that with an unlimited amount of potential universes, at least one would be capable of sustaining life...

Igor wrote: Drop a ball, and it can be concluded that it will fall. Doesn't mean that it definitely won't fall up.

Erm...

Starbreaker wrote:I've Adblocked Mr. Facepalm.

Soooooo much better.

Good idea.

Anung Un Rama wrote:What is it called, people who thinks that there is a creator, but he made the universe and has left it? somthing to do with clocks?

People who believe that are called Deists.

The root problem with Christianity is that their god is supposed to be all powerful and benevolent. It sounds like an easy sell but when life turns completely to gooseberry fool you have to come up with all kinds of whacked out reasons for why kindly old Jehovah saw fit to run over little Timmy with a combine harvester and leave him in a state of vegetative, limbless agony for 18 years.

Mind Crime wrote:

Igor wrote: Drop a ball, and it can be concluded that it will fall. Doesn't mean that it definitely won't fall up.

Erm...

Ha, probably didn't explain that to well. Probably going off on a tangent anyway, but it was in response to Anung wanting 'cold, hard fact'. It was simply to say that fact ≠ certainty. Drop a ball, and it has been observed that it will fall. It has been observed so much, that it is considered 'fact'. So, we can say that, drop a ball and it will fall. That is all fact is; continued observation of a reaction to the point that it can be considered truth beyond reasonable doubt. That's why gravity is both fact and theory.

So yeah, we have seen the ball fall so much we conclude it as fact. Doesn't mean that it is impossible that the ball won't fall blah blah blah...

Ignore me, it's bollocks anyway... Jews should stick to maths and making money.

Pancake wrote:The root problem with Christianity is that their god is supposed to be all powerful and benevolent. It sounds like an easy sell but when life turns completely to gooseberry fool you have to come up with all kinds of whacked out reasons for why kindly old Jehovah saw fit to run over little Timmy with a combine harvester and leave him in a state of vegetative, limbless agony for 18 years.

Apparently god is into free will now, rather than old testiment smiting.

IMO the problem of evil destroys any good arguments for an all loving all powerful God that interevenes in the world.