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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by captain red dog » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:47 pm

It would be a big deal no doubt and cause a fuss but honestly it wouldn't be any worse for anyone entering Wales on the M4 in reality. Not that I feel it needs to happen as the level of surveillance is much higher in the UK than most of Europe.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Rightey » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:01 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
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captain red dog wrote:Pretty horrifying news reported by the BBC. The guy was under surveillance for planning an armed robbery, had served 4 years for arson in Italy and had a jail sentence in absentia in Tunisia. He could be anywhere in Schengen now, €100k reward offered, armed and dangerous.


WTF?! How is that considered petty crime?!


Because the original suspect was accused of petty crime, this is a different guy.


Ah ok. So is this second guy not an asylum seeker/refugee?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38396987


So they knew he was inadmissible, and were going to deport him, and they had a strong suspicion he was going to do something but rather than act they just decided to lay low. Brilliant.

If they really did think that they could have at least arrested him on the grounds of sneaking into the country and just kept him somewhere away from both the public, and from radicalising influences until they got his papers and could deport him.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by captain red dog » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:53 pm

SilentRight wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Pretty horrifying news reported by the BBC. The guy was under surveillance for planning an armed robbery, had served 4 years for arson in Italy and had a jail sentence in absentia in Tunisia. He could be anywhere in Schengen now, €100k reward offered, armed and dangerous.


WTF?! How is that considered petty crime?!


Because the original suspect was accused of petty crime, this is a different guy.


Ah ok. So is this second guy not an asylum seeker/refugee?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38396987


So they knew he was inadmissible, and were going to deport him, and they had a strong suspicion he was going to do something but rather than act they just decided to lay low. Brilliant.

If they really did think that they could have at least arrested him on the grounds of sneaking into the country and just kept him somewhere away from both the public, and from radicalising influences until they got his papers and could deport him.

He didn't sneak into Germany though. He literally just travelled there from Italy (where he illegally came in, probably through the early migrant routes from North Africa in 2011) where it looks like he served 4 years for arson shortly after and wasn't deported. Then thanks to Schengen he was able to bugger off to Germany and murder 12 people.

I guess he couldn't be detained when his asylum bid failed as Merkel was feeling compassionate.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:34 pm

Remember guys, one 'bears' something. To bare means to get naked, and I'm afraid Merkel hasn't got the figure to pull that off. :dread:

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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Moggy » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:45 pm

"Don't be cowed by terrorists" says May: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-p ... s-38403872

Is that why she wants a record of every website we all visit? :slol:
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Rocsteady » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:57 pm

captain red dog wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
SilentRight wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Pretty horrifying news reported by the BBC. The guy was under surveillance for planning an armed robbery, had served 4 years for arson in Italy and had a jail sentence in absentia in Tunisia. He could be anywhere in Schengen now, €100k reward offered, armed and dangerous.


WTF?! How is that considered petty crime?!


Because the original suspect was accused of petty crime, this is a different guy.


Ah ok. So is this second guy not an asylum seeker/refugee?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38396987


So they knew he was inadmissible, and were going to deport him, and they had a strong suspicion he was going to do something but rather than act they just decided to lay low. Brilliant.

If they really did think that they could have at least arrested him on the grounds of sneaking into the country and just kept him somewhere away from both the public, and from radicalising influences until they got his papers and could deport him.

He didn't sneak into Germany though. He literally just travelled there from Italy (where he illegally came in, probably through the early migrant routes from North Africa in 2011) where it looks like he served 4 years for arson shortly after and wasn't deported. Then thanks to Schengen he was able to bugger off to Germany and murder 12 people.

I guess he couldn't be detained when his asylum bid failed as Merkel was feeling compassionate.

And there's obviously no way that, had unrealistically strict borders been in place, he couldn't have simply gotten a truck and done exactly the same thing in an Italian Xmas market instead.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Rightey » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:17 pm

I know Australia gets loads of migrants coming in and seeking asylum and rather than let them into the country they tow them to Christmas Island or Naru or somewhere else and then check their backgrounds and only then if they get approved are they allowed onto Australian soil. I recall camps being set up in Greece that seem to be similair, but I take it people can just leave those whenever they want since they are already in the EU, right?

Seems a similair system would work best in these cases, but maybe the sheer number of migrants into Europe would make that more difficult to do. I know in Australia's case a lot of the migrants have been complaining about living conditions, but it seems like a much better solution than just letting them go and hoping they leave once the deportation order comes in.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:46 am

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:"Don't be cowed by terrorists" says May: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-p ... s-38403872

Is that why she wants a record of every website we all visit? :slol:


I reckon she's been on the sauce, and thinks that terrorists have trebuchets loaded up with cows.



Don't be cowed.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by BID0 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:09 am

SilentRight wrote:I know Australia gets loads of migrants coming in and seeking asylum and rather than let them into the country they tow them to Christmas Island or Naru or somewhere else and then check their backgrounds and only then if they get approved are they allowed onto Australian soil. I recall camps being set up in Greece that seem to be similair, but I take it people can just leave those whenever they want since they are already in the EU, right?

Seems a similair system would work best in these cases, but maybe the sheer number of migrants into Europe would make that more difficult to do. I know in Australia's case a lot of the migrants have been complaining about living conditions, but it seems like a much better solution than just letting them go and hoping they leave once the deportation order comes in.

Pretty sure they are kept in fenced areas, not fed or watered properly and families are broken up in to different areas
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by captain red dog » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:16 am

It seems he has been shot dead in Milan. Open borders :dread:
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Lagamorph » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:31 am

Because when borders are closed/border checks are in place there are absolutely no ways to bypass that right?
Closed borders would not stop people like this, it would likely not even slow them down.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Garth » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:35 am

If he's been shot dead, the ability to travel between EU countries didn't save him from punishment in the end.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Moggy » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:41 am

Garland Twinkleballs wrote:Because when borders are closed/border checks are in place there are absolutely no ways to bypass that right?
Closed borders would not stop people like this, it would likely not even slow them down.


Don't be silly Jawa. The magic of passport control would stop all evildoers in their tracks. We would enter a brave new world where terrorists were unable to travel but ordinary folk could move around with barely any hassle. In the same time as it takes you to use a credit card you could be across a border safe in the knowledge that nasty people would be utterly flummoxed by having to show a little book with their photo in.

Back before the evil Schengen, Europe was a place of peace and stability and no naughty men ever crossed from one country to another. The good old days. :wub:
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Hexx » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:44 am

I mean there weren't any terrorist attacks in the UK before Schengan...
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Moggy » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:46 am

Hexx wrote:I mean there weren't any terrorist attacks in the UK before Schengan...


The UK isn't in Schengen ;)

But you're right, the UK was safe from terrorists when we had secure borders with other nearby European countries.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Lagamorph » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:46 am

Hexx wrote:I mean there weren't any terrorist attacks in the UK before Schengan...

Which the UK has never been part of anyway.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Hexx » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:49 am

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hexx wrote:I mean there weren't any terrorist attacks in the UK before Schengan...


The UK isn't in Schengen ;)


I didn't actually say it was though, did I? ;) ("I didn't say you said it was, did I" should be your reply : :wub: )

Fair cop though - very badly phrased point.
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Moggy » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:54 am

Hexx wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hexx wrote:I mean there weren't any terrorist attacks in the UK before Schengan...


The UK isn't in Schengen ;)


I didn't actually say it was though, did I? ;) ("I didn't say you said it was, did I" should be your reply : :wub: )

Fair cop though - very badly phrased point.


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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Moggy » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:58 am

Australia joined the Eurovision a couple of years ago and now have terrorists. Coincidence? Thanks Merkel. :x

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38411935
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PostRe: The Terrorism Discussion Thread: Multiple dead as Lorry ploughs into German Christmas market
by Lagamorph » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:05 am

Australia doesn't have open borders though. They must be totally safe from terrorists and this is all just a false flag operation.
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