Preezy wrote:Moggy wrote:Nazism is a cancer and it is not going to go away by lovely friendly debates. These are not rational people that will hear your arguments and think “wow, he made a good point! Maybe we should stop the construction of our new death camp!”.
Ok, so going with this line of thought - what's the solution? If these people can't be reasoned or debated with, how do you stop them or remove them from the public discourse? Just lock them all up? Send them to Australia?
I don’t think Australia needs to be made MORE racist.
I am not sure there is a solution in the way you mean. Some people have always been racist and I expect some people will always be racist. We will not solve the issue by ignoring them, we will not solve it by debating them, we will not solve the problem by laughing at them and we will not stop it by punching/fighting/killing them.
Some things just don’t have an answer.
It is damn satisfying to see an advocate of genocide getting punched in the face though.
If punching them is ok, then why not just have them all shot and be done with it. It's just another couple of rungs down the ladder from punching, and it would solve the Nazi problem once and for all, right?
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Punching somebody for preaching mass murder or wearing a symbol of mass murder is somewhat different to shooting them.
And no it wouldn’t solve the problem, new Nazis are being born all the time.
I am not a supporter of capital punishment for any crime. But I am not against a literal Nazi getting punched.
I'm shooting the breeze (as our colonial cousins would say) on this one, I don't know what the answer to this Nazi problem is, I'm just throwing gooseberry fool at the wall and seeing what sticks.
There is no answer that would completely eradicate Nazism.
Pre WW2, racism was rife.
During WW2, racism was rife.
Post WW2, racism was rife.
People are banana splits.
We had a nice little spell though when racism was kept to a minimum and Nazis were rightly looked on as scum. It started in the 80s, took off in the 90s and started dying towards the end of the 00s/beginning of the 10s. Political correctness and racial discrimination laws might annoy people, but they were both damn successful in forcing racists to shut the strawberry float up and to hide themselves away in shame. The last 10 years or so have seen a backlash against PC, with far right extremism being fuelled by the financial and political chaos we have seen (sounds familiar to Germany in the 20s/30s….). Hopefully it dies out quickly, if not we might have a lot more Nazis to punch in the near future.
As you enjoyed taking “punch a Nazi” to a more extreme “why not shoot the Nazis”, let me ask a more extreme question back.
How far along the process of Nazification would we have to go before you would accept some violence might be needed? If they march in the streets? If they openly wear Nazi symbols? If they shoot British MPs or run over American protesters? If they start electing politicians? If they win elections? If they seized absolute power? If they started marching people to death camps?
edit: yeah perhaps there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution, take each case as it comes etc.
I’d agree with that.