Fallout 76 is the score it wishes it had on metacritic

My favourite bit yesterday. Some streamer (Cohn?) hit a bug where every time he got in/out of power armor he lost an random amount of inventory space/carry weight...and it was cumulative

Tafdolphin wrote:Much like with the game, some criticisms are justified. You are taking any and all criticisms of the game extremely personally and lashing out at those who disagree. You rarely respond to valid complaints, and dismiss the concept that the game is a terrible example of an industry on the slide out of hand and without comment...

Not just accepting anything you write is not equal to "lashing out". You are determined to talk about the negative aspects; and I am equally determined to talk about the positive.

"An industry on the slide"... where has this come from? I'm just talking about an online Fallout game! I feel that this ties back to your desire for "examples"; you're pinning your frustration with "the industry" upon this game.

I wouldn't worry about Taf , Jawa, sure he got stuck into Red Dead Redemption 2, disregarding it's reviews and coverage despite pointing to reviews in this case. He'll twist articles and reviews to fit his view despite never playing the games at all.

No doubt, whatever Obsidian make next he will hate even if it's great just because of 'reasons'. It's tiresome but it keeps him going so there's that.

If a game he dislikes get's good reviews they are paid off shills receiving kick backs.

If the opposite is true then the reviews are accurate, naturally.

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http://www.githyp.com/?type=twitch-view ... &sort=week

it's not doing well on Twitch either (which apparently is a good metric of interest these days? Kids....)

(Edit Wrong link sorry that over emphasised it's failings. Still not great for AAA release)

Photek wrote:I wouldn't worry about Taf , Jawa, sure he got stuck into Red Dead Redemption 2, disregarding it's reviews and coverage despite pointing to reviews in this case. He'll twist articles and reviews to fit his view despite never playing the games at all.

No doubt, whatever Obsidian make next he will hate even if it's great just because of 'reasons'. It's tiresome but it keeps him going so there's that.

If a game he dislikes get's good reviews they are paid off shills receiving kick backs.

If the opposite is true then the reviews are accurate, naturally.

This is all true. I'm literally the worst.

Tafdolphin wrote:
Photek wrote:I wouldn't worry about Taf , Jawa, sure he got stuck into Red Dead Redemption 2, disregarding it's reviews and coverage despite pointing to reviews in this case. He'll twist articles and reviews to fit his view despite never playing the games at all.

No doubt, whatever Obsidian make next he will hate even if it's great just because of 'reasons'. It's tiresome but it keeps him going so there's that.

If a game he dislikes get's good reviews they are paid off shills receiving kick backs.

If the opposite is true then the reviews are accurate, naturally.

This is all true. I'm literally the worst.

Oh come on. You're not as bad as ORKN. :evil:

Tafdolphin wrote:This is all true. I'm literally the worst.

I wouldn't say that. But... if we applied the same approach as folk take for 76...

I am jesting now.

I mean, there's 'the worst' and 'the WORST.'

I suggest DML do a game thread so we can figure out who's who.

First step is admitting it Taf so good job.

Going back to the game, If they make PvP carry far more consequence rather than the middle ground it has at mo it might peak my interest.

jawafour wrote:
Winckle wrote:
jawafour wrote:Why would anyone hope that the game will be abandoned and "not fixed"?

Because then Bethesda can refocus their efforts onto making a good game.

Oh, Winckle! Seriously, imagine hoping that a game you won't be playing is not improved .

I'm trying to stay polite here, because that's a either a bad or very disingenuous reading of my post.

You asked why somebody would hope that a game would be abandoned, and I provided you with such a reason. I want Bethesda to make good quality single player experiences. They have to pay their staff to do this. I would rather they had the staff work on a good SP game.

I have no malice towards those who are enjoying F76, some of my friends on facebook seem to be enjoying it. You cannot deny however that for Bethesda this has been a critical and commercial failure, on a scale not seen in triple A games for years.

Assassins Creed Unity's body isn't even cold yet man...

Winckle wrote:
jawafour wrote:
Winckle wrote:
jawafour wrote:Why would anyone hope that the game will be abandoned and "not fixed"?

Because then Bethesda can refocus their efforts onto making a good game.

Oh, Winckle! Seriously, imagine hoping that a game you won't be playing is not improved .

I'm trying to stay polite here, because that's a either a bad or very disingenuous reading of my post...

Not at all. Your response was specifically related to me picking up Gemini's view that the game should be abandoned and "not fixed". I get that the game style doesn't suit your tastes or meet your desires... but why post that a game that others like should be closed down? Responding to that with a mildly jocular tone doesn't feel outlandish.

Still not seeing what's so confusing about hoping that a developer redirect resources on to new projects that

a) aren't conceptually flawed from the outset
b) learn from this dumpster fire (see a)

Rather than spending time/money trying to fix a commercial/critical failure, who's problems are largely caused by it's core structure meaning it'd largely be irredemable.

If you want them to fix this mess, that's pretty much the same as wanting a whole new game (See FF14 as Taf pointed out ages ago)

I think abandoning it would be a sh*tty thing to do, especially for people who bought it.

It's not impossible that this game could be decent in a year.

Photek wrote:I think abandoning it would be a sh*tty thing to do, especially for people who bought it.

They can keep servers going, update patches (and planned content). That's what people bought.

I don't see it being good without it being burnt to the ground and rebuilt up. There's too much wrong in at a fundamental level base building/sharding/pvp etc. This isn't balancing/tweaking, it's needs the entire underlying mechanics redone.

Can you think of an example of one that's turned around that much? (FF14 is the go to one. Division/Vanillia Destiny 2 had massive endgame problems and and the approach was redone over a year, but I don't think they were as inherently broken as this)

And then the rebuilt version wouldn't be what people bought

But if people have already paid money for it then people must have thought it was already good enough to spend money on. It's odd to argue that the game "might" be decent at some point. Surely at some point they'll need to weigh up whether it's worth trying to improve it?

EDIT: Also if Jawa doesn't want negativity in his Jawa plays thread why is he also trying to stop people from complaining about Fallout 76 in here? :shifty:

Frank wrote:EDIT: Also if Jawa doesn't want negativity in his Jawa plays thread why is he also trying to stop people from complaining about Fallout 76 in here?

Not true.

It's hard to keep re-stating some things. I have posted "critical" aspects in this thread; and re-posted them when folk raise this point. I just have a different overall view on the game and where it could go. It would would be far easier - and more in line with what the majority of folk here would like - if I posted "Fallout 76 is gooseberry-fool. It's the worst game of 2018. Bethesda are a disgrace. Nothing can ever be done to improve it. This game should be abandoned right now so that a good game can be made". But... instead I challenge aspects of other viewpoints and this is difficult as nearly everything has to be perceived as 100% right or 100% wrong; anything in the vast middle ground is subject to huge disapproval. That is just how things are.

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jawafour wrote:Bethesda are a disgrace. Nothing can ever be done to improve it. This game should be abandoned right now so that a good game can be made.

Bethesda...

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Fallout 76 - An obvious cash grab that has blown up in Bethesda's face spectacularly.

If this had any other name tied to it other than Bethesda/Fallout then I sincerely doubt it would garner so much sympathy. If anyone here is odd then it's those planting their flag in the "The AAA industry doesn't take the piss out of its customers with shoddy products designed to make a quick buck.You nasty people leave them alone!" camp.

I do feel bad for the devs, because this is now in driveclub territory where if the issues it has at launch get fixed, it won't matter because driveclub doesn't work m8.

Fallout 76 is the score it wishes it had on metacritic

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