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Can't we take restaurant cheap skatery to its own thread it's an interesting topic so would be good to have a discussion about what's ok and not but it has diddally to do with fallout being gooseberry fool.

But what if the Mr. Handy delivers my Salisbury steak at a different framerate to the Pork'n'Beans that the guy in my party had paid for with a microtransaction?

mic wrote:

Rocsteady wrote:

mic wrote:

Rocsteady wrote:

mic wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

Moggy wrote:It’s not as simple as saying “I’m not paying”, but there is a legal basis for money off/not paying if the food is not of sufficient quality.

It'd have to be really, really objectively bad. As the article states food can be a subjective experience.

I still think you'd have a hard time walking out and not paying after having eaten something you considered to be bad. I can't believe many people ever actually do that.

I’ve done it loads. Because the mains weren’t all served at the same time. Because I found a hair in my burger. Because we didn’t like it. We usually just pay for drinks.

If true you're such a tight entitled bastard.

Not really - why should I pay for shitty service given with a don’t-give-a-shit attitude?

I’m happy to pay, and even tip extra for good food and service. But if I find a long blonde hair in my food (ie, not one of ours), then wtf? Or if you’ve unsmilingly dumped my food in front of me when it’s already taken longer than it should’ve?

If you’re happy to pay for bad food and service then YOU, sir, are a mug. I suppose you let all your service providers rip you off too?

#partoftheproblem, etc

A mug

Cool m8, next time my overworked and underpaid server delivers one of our meals to the table slightly later than the rest I'll make sure to kick up a big fuss and ruin their evening by getting them in the gooseberry fool to save a little bit of cash.

So, staff being overworked and underpaid is my problem how, exactly? I’ve come for a nice meal out which has now been ruined and I’m supposed to just suck it up and pay for it? I think not. Do you equally sympathize with call centre staff working for international corporations?

You precious soul.

If your food is so badly affected by something that you can't eat it, (foreign object in it, undercooked, allergens that weren't declared,) then sure, send it back and don't pay, because you haven't been given what you ordered. Don't act like because your food arrived at different times it's somehow inedible and thus you shouldn't pay for it. I assume you would still eat it anyway? If you eat it, you should pay for it, or else it's basically theft.

It's the same reason Steam has a 2 hour playtime limit on refunds. If you play through 2 or more hours of it, you've consumed enough of it and should have to pay.

Knoëleo wrote:Are you still eating the food that isn't brought out at the same time, before refusing to pay for it?

We’ve been sat waiting and the meals start to trickle out. We say go ahead and start. We’ve already ordered massively overpriced drinks. By the time the last few meals arrive, the first lot have finished eating - perhaps, 15-20 minutes later. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I’ll make it clear we’re only paying for the drinks. If you, the manager, are good at your job, you’ll apologize and ask us to finish our meal. But if, instead, you want to immediately clear the table, well fine - we’ll just never come back, not to mention all the bad reviews you’ll get.

*<]:^D wrote:i think what people are criticising is the decision to pay almost nothing for a minor detraction from the meal (mains arriving slightly separately)

I don’t think it is minor, and a few rounds of drinks cost more than the meal! How would they like it if my debit card was rejected and I had to pay in pennies? This is a business! My personal time and money is MUCH more valuable then their business time and money. Does that make me entitled? I rather thought that was the point...

Are you American?

Advent7 wrote:Are you American?

"Just been out for a meal and 2 of my friends had to wait about 15 minutes longer than me, any tips?"

"Definitely no tips for such poor service, the manager should do the right thing and apologize, maybe he should offer free drinks too"

"Did you just assume his gender?"

"Yikes"

"[USER WAS ACTIONED FOR THIS POST]"

Mic, it sounds like you're better off hosting dinner parties instead

Expecting to eat a meal and not pay because it comes at different times is shocking.

I'd tell you to get strawberry floated.

Posting in a ResetEra thread, yeah

Knoëleo wrote:...Don't act like because your food arrived at different times it's somehow inedible and thus you shouldn't pay for it. I assume you would still eat it anyway? If you eat it, you should pay for it, or else it's basically theft...

No, because when we go out for a meal, we aren't just paying for the food, but also for the service, and it is not unreasonable to expect your entire table to be served more or less simultaneously - certainly not without a damned good explanation.

Wow. Am I really the only one who gets this? A restaurant meal can cost hundreds of pounds! And you'd all just meekly accept substandard service?

Okay... If you went to McDonalds and placed a large order, and your server just dumped all the fries out into a large plastic bag (without the little cardboard containers, even), would you be happy with that?

"What? It's still fries, ennit? Just eat them! It's still food!"

mic wrote:Okay... If you went to McDonalds and placed a large order, and your server just dumped all the fries out into a large plastic bag (without the little cardboard containers, even), would you be happy with that?

"What? It's still fries, ennit? Just eat them! It's still food!"

I don't think you get it. If that happened I would ask for new food, not eat the chips and then say I'm not paying for them.

mic wrote:

Knoëleo wrote:Are you still eating the food that isn't brought out at the same time, before refusing to pay for it?

We’ve been sat waiting and the meals start to trickle out. We say go ahead and start. We’ve already ordered massively overpriced drinks. By the time the last few meals arrive, the first lot have finished eating - perhaps, 15-20 minutes later. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I’ll make it clear we’re only paying for the drinks. If you, the manager, are good at your job, you’ll apologize and ask us to finish our meal. But if, instead, you want to immediately clear the table, well fine - we’ll just never come back, not to mention all the bad reviews you’ll get.

*<]:^D wrote:i think what people are criticising is the decision to pay almost nothing for a minor detraction from the meal (mains arriving slightly separately)

I don’t think it is minor, and a few rounds of drinks cost more than the meal! How would they like it if my debit card was rejected and I had to pay in pennies? This is a business! My personal time and money is MUCH more valuable then their business time and money. Does that make me entitled? I rather thought that was the point...

Don't be such a wee pussy. If your experience is completely ruined by staggered meal delivery or a lone hair kicking about you must be a strawberry floating nightmare to be around.

Mic confirmed for expecting to get his weekly shop for free because the cahier at Tesco didn't ask him how he was.

HSH28 wrote:

mic wrote:Okay... If you went to McDonalds and placed a large order, and your server just dumped all the fries out into a large plastic bag (without the little cardboard containers, even), would you be happy with that?

"What? It's still fries, ennit? Just eat them! It's still food!"

I don't think you get it. If that happened I would ask for new food, not eat the chips and then say I'm not paying for them.

You all seem to be fixating on lack of payment for food, without acknowledging that -

1. The drinks cost more than the food and we've paid for the drinks, without finishing our meal
2. The service was bad, in whatever way
3. I've never had the police involved, or any comeback at all other than an apology

Rocsteady wrote:Don't be such a wee pussy. If your experience is completely ruined by staggered meal delivery or a lone hair kicking about you must be a strawberry floating nightmare to be around.

Don't be such a judgemental twat, then. I wasn't dining alone, and it is the group experience that is ruined by staggered service. Lone hair? What a stupid thing to say! How many hairs do you need to find in your soup before you stop eating? It's not as though I was at a friend's house. Besides, what kind of dining establishment would even have any expectation of payment for a meal when you've had to ask for it to be replaced because it contained a foreign object?

Dangerblade wrote:

Advent7 wrote:Are you American?

"Just been out for a meal and 2 of my friends had to wait about 15 minutes longer than me, any tips?"

"Definitely no tips for such poor service, the manager should do the right thing and apologize, maybe he should offer free drinks too"

"Did you just assume his gender?"

"Yikes"

"[USER WAS ACTIONED FOR THIS POST]"

Very funny

How often have you refused to pay mic?

Albear wrote:How often have you refused to pay mic?

I can think of... eight different occasions of dissatisfaction, all in London, but ranging from pub lunches to pizza hut, with a few posh restaurants in between. Oh, and one Thai restaurant, too.

On some occasions (such as one of the hair-in-food ones) the individual serving was quickly replaced and we were informed that we would not be billed for that serving. Fine... ish. On other occasions (staggered service), I've had to refuse to pay, leading to the manager being summoned, apologies offered and our group being assured that we (the entire group) would not be billed for the food but should finish our meals - perhaps we'd care for desert? Result. The tempo of our meal was disjointed, and much conversation was wasted on the service, but the food was good and the price of the evening was significantly discounted. Would come back.

As I say, I've never had the police involved... although on one occasion the staff were so rushed off their feet (the place was horribly over-booked) that one of them ended up spilling some hot, sizzling food into the lap of one of my party. They got upset and it was uncertain how the matter would be resolved (although they weren't injured). After the meal, the manager insisted that we didn't have to pay for anything at all, which went a long way towards assuaging any bad feelings. It is otherwise very unlikely that we would ever have returned.

What's worth more? The price of a meal, or repeat business? You should all stand up for yourselves more!

You actually sound like a nightmare. Find hair in your food, send it back, get a replacement and pay your strawberry floating bill.

Meals being served at staggered times, you poor wee thing, I've no idea how your group managed that situation, it sounds awful but if you all ate your meals you should have paid for them.

If I ran a restaurant and in any situation you've mention, you refused to pay I'd force you to pay and ban you, so I wouldn't have to worry about you coming back.

On a side note, if you find a hair in your food and you send it back and don't ask / don't get a replacement serving then fine don't pay for it.

shadow202 wrote:You actually sound like a nightmare. Find hair in your food, send it back, get a replacement and pay your strawberry floating bill.

Meals being served at staggered times, you poor wee thing, I've no idea how your group managed that situation, it sounds awful but if you all ate your meals you should have paid for them.

If I ran a restaurant and in any situation you've mention, you refused to pay I'd force you to pay and ban you, so I wouldn't have to worry about you coming back.

On a side note, if you find a hair in your food and you send it back and don't ask / don't get a replacement serving then fine don't pay for it.

Sorry, didn’t realise it was my job to please the businesses I patronize. Guess it’s a good thing you don’t own a restaurant then - it would be gooseberry fool and your reviews would suck.

Incidentally, HOW do you think you would force me to pay?

mic wrote:

shadow202 wrote:You actually sound like a nightmare. Find hair in your food, send it back, get a replacement and pay your strawberry floating bill.

Meals being served at staggered times, you poor wee thing, I've no idea how your group managed that situation, it sounds awful but if you all ate your meals you should have paid for them.

If I ran a restaurant and in any situation you've mention, you refused to pay I'd force you to pay and ban you, so I wouldn't have to worry about you coming back.

On a side note, if you find a hair in your food and you send it back and don't ask / don't get a replacement serving then fine don't pay for it.

Sorry, didn’t realise it was my job to please the businesses I patronize. Guess it’s a good thing you don’t own a restaurant then - it would be gooseberry fool and your reviews would suck.

Incidentally, HOW do you think you would force me to pay?

Yes I'm sure my restaurant would be gooseberry fool because I wasn't giving free meals out to self entitled idiots.

I'd simply phone the police, how esle do you think?