US Election 2008 - McCain Oven Chips elected president

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Adam Pollard » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:48 am



BLATANTLY the point where Obama wrapped up this mofo.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by new*allusion » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:50 am

Montana went McCain according to CNN.

Just awaiting Missouri (McCain leads, but there are just 6,000 votes in it, 100% reporting), Indiana (at 20,000 it looks pretty much a cert for Obama now, 99% reporting) and North Carolina (Obama lead, but there are just 2,000 votes in it, 100% reporting).

My final predicted total is 364 to 174, but NC looks sketchy.

Previous results:
2004 252 - 286 GW Bush
2000 266 - 271 GW Bush
1996 379 - 159 Clinton
1992 370 - 168 Clinton
1988 111 - 426 GHW Bush
1984 13 - 525 Reagan
1980 49 - 489 Reagan
1976 297 - 240 Carter
1972 17 - 520 Nixon
1968 191 - 301 - 46* Nixon
1964 486 - 52 Johnson
1960 303 - 219 Kennedy
1956 52 - 457 Eisenhower
1952 89 - 442 Eisenhower
1948 303 -189 - 39** Truman
1944 432 - 99 FD Roosevelt
1940 449 - 82 FD Roosevelt
1936 523 - 8 FD Roosevelt
1932 472 - 59 FD Roosevelt
1928 87 - 444 Hoover
1924 136 - 382 - 13*** Coolidge
1920 127 - 404 Harding
1916 277 -254 Wilson
1912 435 - 88 - 8*** Wilson
1908 162 - 321 Taft
1904 140 - 336 T Roosevelt
1900 155 - 292 McKinley


*Pro-Segregation Alabama Governor George Wallace ran as an independent.
**The Pro-Segregation Dixiecrat Party ran alongside the Democrats and Republicans.
***The Progressive Party ran in 1912 and 1924.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Drunken_Master » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:59 am

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Shadow » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:11 am

Amazing scenes.

His acceptance speech was absolutely incredible, truly inspirational, I could feel the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.

For the first time ever, I genuinely wish I was American this morning, just looking at the videos of them celebrating, look what this guy can do for people, the belief and hope he fills people with, he's an amazing man.


Makes Gordon Brown look about as charismatic as a moldy potato.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Commander Jameson » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:18 am

He'll be dead within a year.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by new*allusion » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:19 am

Shadow wrote:Makes Gordon Brown look about as charismatic as a moldy potato.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Gordon Brown is our Richard Nixon.
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They have the same mannerism and appearance, I won't goes as far as saying that Brown is as paranoid as Nixon without proof, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by RogueLeader » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:27 am

So Turk beat Kelso then?

I did this by severing my real arms and replacing them with super-human cyborg arms.
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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by RogueLeader » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:28 am

So Turk beat Kelso then?

I did this by severing my real arms and replacing them with super-human cyborg arms.
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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Albert » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:31 am

Pretty interesting read, especially if you were a fan of West wing.

The fact that the Santos character was based on Obama makes me like him even more.

Herald Tribune wrote:When Eli Attie, a writer for "The West Wing," prepared to plot some episodes about a young Democratic congressman's unlikely presidential bid, he picked up the phone and called David Axelrod.

Attie, a former speechwriter for Vice President Al Gore, and Axelrod, a political consultant, had crossed campaign trails before. "I just called him and said, 'Tell me about Barack Obama,"' Attie said.

Days after Obama, then an Illinois state senator, delivered an address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention, the two men held several long conversations about his refusal to be defined by his race and his aspirations to bridge the partisan divide. Axelrod was then working on Obama's campaign for the United States Senate; he is now Obama's chief strategist.

Four years later, the writers of "The West Wing" are watching in amazement as the election plays out. The parallels between the final two seasons of the series (it ended its run on NBC in May 2006) and the current political season are unmistakable. Fiction has, once again, foreshadowed reality.

Watching "The West Wing" in retrospect - all seven seasons are available on DVD, and episodes can be seen in syndication - viewers can see allusions to Obama in almost every facet of Matthew Santos, the Hispanic Democratic candidate played by Jimmy Smits. Santos is a coalition-building congressional newcomer who feels frustrated by the polarization of Washington. A telegenic and popular fortysomething with two young children, Santos enters the presidential race and eventually beats established candidates in a long primary campaign.
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Comparisons between Senator John McCain and the "West Wing" Republican candidate, Arnold Vinick, a white-haired Senate stalwart with an anti-tax message and a reputation for delivering "straight talk" to the press, also abound. Vinick, played by Alan Alda, is deemed a threat to Democrats because of his ability to woo moderate voters. And he takes great pride in his refusal to pander to voters, telling an aide: "People know where I stand. They may not like it, but they know I'll stick with it."

Certainly some of the parallels are coincidental. It is unlikely, for example, that the writers knew Obama had an affection for Bob Dylan when they made Santos a Dylan fan. But it is the unintentional similarities that make the DVDs of the sixth and seventh seasons, which at the time received mixed reviews, so rewarding to watch now. In both "The West Wing" and in real life, for example, the Phillies played in the World Series during the election campaign.

As the primaries unfolded this year, "I saw the similarities right away," said Lawrence O'Donnell, a producer and writer for the series who has appeared on MSNBC as a political analyst. O'Donnell had used McCain as one of the templates for the Vinick character in the episodes he wrote, though he said that "McCain's resemblance to the Vinick character was much stronger in 2000 than in 2008."

Echoing the criticism McCain faced during the primaries, a White House aide in "The West Wing" contends that Vinick is "not conservative enough" for the Republican base. Sometimes the two candidates' situations are almost identical: when the press starts asking where Vinick attends church, he tells his staff that "I haven't gone to church for a while." Asked in July by The New York Times about the frequency of his church attendance, McCain said, "Not as often as I should."

Alda and McCain are the same age. When a hard-edged strategist played by Janeane Garofalo joins the Santos campaign, she immediately alludes to Vinick's age. "He's been in the Senate for like 90 years. He was practically born in a committee room," she says.

In the same way that Obama surrogates have subtly knocked McCain's lack of computer skills, the Garofalo character remarks to the Santos campaign manager, Josh Lyman: "Why are you always talking about high-tech jobs? Because Vinick uses a manual typewriter."

Conversely, Santos staffers talk about getting video of the candidate with his "adorable young children hugging their hale and vital dad." The casting of Smits introduced story lines about the prospect of a minority president. But when an aide suggests a fund-raising drive in a Latino community, Santos snaps: "I don't want to just be the brown candidate. I want to be the American candidate." The Obama campaign has made similar assertions.

Still, "The West Wing" - like Obama - does not ignore racial issues entirely. In the seventh season Santos delivers a speech on race at a critical moment for his campaign, and staffers privately worry that voters will lie about their willingness to vote for a minority candidate.


If the show sometimes seems like a political fantasy - a real debate where politicians are required to answer questions? a candidate rejecting an attack ad? - it also reflects the tenor of the real-life campaign season.

Santos wins the nomination only after a lengthy fight on the convention floor, an inexact parallel to Obama's extended primary fight with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Just as the Obama campaign pivoted to the economy this fall, Lyman tells Santos staffers that "this new economic message may be our ticket," and he winds up being right. An economic crisis does not ensue, but back-to-back emergencies on "The West Wing" - a nuclear power plant malfunction and a dispute in Kazakhstan - bring to mind the election-defining qualities of the actual economic crisis.

"Dramatically, they are exactly the same thing: the unforeseeable," O'Donnell said.

As President George W. Bush did during the bailout talks, Jed Bartlet, the Democratic "West Wing" president played by Martin Sheen, brings both candidates to the White House for a briefing. Facing the prospect of deploying 150,000 American soldiers to Kazakhstan three weeks before the election, Vinick grumbles, "I can say goodbye to my tax cut." He tells Santos, "Your education plan's certainly off the table."

Santos emerges victorious weeks later, but only after a grueling election night. Online, some "West Wing" fans are wondering whether the show will wind up forecasting the real-life result as well. In Britain, where the series remains popular in syndication, a recent headline on a blog carried by the newspaper The Telegraph declared: "Barack Obama will win: It's all in 'The West Wing.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Iron Nan » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:33 am

Awesome result, heard it on the radio at half six when I got up. :D

But Gordon Brown is 'our' Richard Nixon? Please god no.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by new*allusion » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:43 am

IRON NAN wrote:Awesome result, heard it on the radio at half six when I got up. :D

But Gordon Brown is 'our' Richard Nixon? Please god no.

I should further add, I don't mean much politically (there's a distinct gulf here), but personality is key to Presidents and Brown's (public) personality and appearance seem close to Nixon.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Poncho » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:48 am

Well done America.

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The rest of the world.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by JD05 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:49 am

I'm so glad that Obama won. 8-)

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by 1cmanny1 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:51 am

Im so happy! For once those silly Americans did something right!

I wish he was here instead of America!

Our election is on saturday, its looking like we will finally have a guy PM again...

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Eighthours » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:12 am

We wake up in a brave new world. What a result.

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Count Nood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:15 am

Get in. :D Well done Obama!

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Commander Jameson » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:17 am

Eighthours wrote:We wake up in a brave new world. What a result.


Obama is instigating a caste system?

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by JD05 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:18 am

I wish I where at Obama's party last night:

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by 1cmanny1 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:20 am

I didnt wake up with a new world! i had dinner with a new world :lol:

That Hologram thing was flash though wasnt it! i want one!

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PostRe: US Election 2008 - McCain elected president
by Octoroc » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:27 am

I'm glad Obama got elected, but mainly because Sarah Palin has no chance of ever becoming president.

So far this year, I have eaten NO mince pies.

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