SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by BOR » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:37 am

zXe wrote:Enjoyed the film, but I have to wonder...

Why was Monica Bellucci/her character even necessary in this film?

Also the character of C wasn't very good neither was the actor..


Off from my head, Bond was ordered to kill Marco Sciarra from beloved M, so he had to go to the funeral to dig out the information, but then it created a scene for Daniel with Monica.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Tomous » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:12 pm

I did enjoy it, and the story is a better than Skyfall’s, although still ropey in places. I just don’t think I can get on board with the grittiness combined with the Bond nonsense. Still not a patch on Casino Royale for me.

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She's right.

Belucci has great screen presence and chemistry with Bond, yet is only in it for about 3 minutes. Whereas the younger doctor he does fall for, is kinda irritating and has no chemistry with Bond at all.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by BOR » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:12 am

SPECTRE smashed Box Office Record

Monday - $6.4m/£4.2m
Tuesday - $9.2m/£6.3m
Wednesday - $8.8m/£5.7m

https://deadline.com/2015/10/spectre-uk ... 201595185/

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Skippy » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:30 am

Well that was rubbish. It was the film people feared the Skyfall might be as the 50th anniversary celebration - just a succession of Bond clichés with very little tying it all together. Skyfall by comparison recognised the history of Bond in a way that didn't pander to smack audiences around the head.

Spectre IS wonderfully shot and well directed in part. The action scenes were poorly directed except for the train fight, which had some of the intensity and impact the film lacked overall. The car chase was incredibly dull - you could sense the filmmakers trying not to damage the Aston for three quarters of it.

Monica Belucci and Craig's scenes together were good apart from they had no reason to shag. Seydoux and Craig's chemistry was tepid to say the least and by the final act their relationship felt unearned.

Then there are the villains. Christoph Waltz is the main baddie, and Andrew Scott is more antagonistic but both are actors known for playing villains, so audiences know what to expect from them. Even then, their characters are two dimensional and the actors have little to do. Waltz is passable but Scott is bad, simply playing a sedate Moriarty without the psycosis.

It felt like everything, the Craig films were trying not to be made by people who thought they were above making "just" an action film or spy thriller. It was desperately trying to be arty, really self indulgent and far too long. I love Casino Royale, really like Skyfall and think Craig is one of the best Bonds ever - he encapsulates everything the charatcer is better than anyone. But Spectre is vapid, terrible and now I hope Craig is done. It's time to move on, all Spectre did was make me wish they had done so after Skyfall.

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What a strawberry floating waste of Blofeld. The reveal was well handled with the cat (except the forced "hello pussy" line) but we all knew Waltz was playing him a year ago. It's nearly as bad as the Khan shite in Star Trek Into Darkness.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by CitizenErased » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:00 pm

Skippy wrote:Well that was rubbish. It was the film people feared the Skyfall might be as the 50th anniversary celebration - just a succession of Bond clichés with very little tying it all together. Skyfall by comparison recognised the history of Bond in a way that didn't pander to smack audiences around the head.

Spectre IS wonderfully shot and well directed in part. The action scenes were poorly directed except for the train fight, which had some of the intensity and impact the film lacked overall. The car chase was incredibly dull - you could sense the filmmakers trying not to damage the Aston for three quarters of it.

Monica Belucci and Craig's scenes together were good apart from they had no reason to shag. Seydoux and Craig's chemistry was tepid to say the least and by the final act their relationship felt unearned.

Then there are the villains. Christoph Waltz is the main baddie, and Andrew Scott is more antagonistic but both are actors known for playing villains, so audiences know what to expect from them. Even then, their characters are two dimensional and the actors have little to do. Waltz is passable but Scott is bad, simply playing a sedate Moriarty without the psycosis.

It felt like everything, the Craig films were trying not to be made by people who thought they were above making "just" an action film or spy thriller. It was desperately trying to be arty, really self indulgent and far too long. I love Casino Royale, really like Skyfall and think Craig is one of the best Bonds ever - he encapsulates everything the charatcer is better than anyone. But Spectre is vapid, terrible and now I hope Craig is done. It's time to move on, all Spectre did was make me wish they had done so after Skyfall.

And now some huffing great spoilers

What a strawberry floating waste of Blofeld. The reveal was well handled with the cat (except the forced "hello pussy" line) but we all knew Waltz was playing him a year ago. It's nearly as bad as the Khan shite in Star Trek Into Darkness.


I more or less agree with you, however I thought Skyfall was far worse, and felt far more forced. I find The Sam Mendes Bond films suffer from that class of old and new. Mendes seems hellbent on shoving in an emotional story into a series that should just be about having fun with Bond's character.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by jamcc » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:49 pm

I agree with a lot of your criticism of the film but I still enjoyed it. Probably more thank should have done.

It did meander between brilliant and terrible, though. Hinx (the big strawberry floater) gouging that guys eyes out before snapping his neck at the 'Illuminati gathering' was chillingly, deliciously graphic, whereas his 'oh gooseberry fool' as he realised he was done was just awful.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Herdanos » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:40 pm

Skippy, you're completely, utterly wrong. This was about a million times better than Skyfall.

It wasn't perfect - my main qualms were with "smartblood" :lol: :fp: and them telling us where every scene was set at the bottom of the screen in text - great for some locales, but totally uneccessary when it's London and we're watching a James Bond movie.

Also, every single Craig Bond film seems to feature absolutely zero infiltration; rather, James just wanders into villains' lairs, invited, and then fights his way out again.

I thought it was great, and it just beats Casino Royale for me as the best Daniel Craig Bond movie. I had heard before the movie that the product placement in this was to be worse than that in Skyfall but it was nowhere near as prevalent. I thought the Blofeld reveal, although inevitable, was done as well as could be expected. The nods to the terrorist activities forcing the vote to pass and Oberhauser and Bond having history were subtle enough to not hammer the viewer over the head with plotpoints while obvious enough to suggest that most people would have seen them clearly.

Much like Skyfall, the cinematography was superb throughout, but unlike Skyfall, there was an overarching plot connecting all these cool-looking scenes together, rather than just unbelievable cooked-up scenarios to string together a bunch of exercises in film-making ("let's do a night scene in Shanghai" "let's have him go to an abandoned island" "let's have a tube train crash through the wall" "let's have a shootout in Scotland" :dread: ). I liked the attempts to tie together the plots from the previous movies - although did anyone else notice, when Bond is moving through the old MI5 building, that they've basically forgotten QoS ever happened? :lol:

Glad they've left it open for Blofeld to return, would have been pointless to include him otherwise. Mr White was excellent I thought - never expected his inclusion to draw together the films in any way and I thought the whole thing was pretty good. Not sure the female roles were particularly well thought-out though. The action scenes were superb.

I spent a lot of time thinking "wouldn't this make a great videogame?" :shifty:


Anyway, I really liked it overall. Glad I saw it at the cinema - after Skyfall I wasn't that bothered tbh, but this is so, so much better.

EDIT: forgot a couple of points. I still really dislike Sam Smith but I've warmed to his Bond theme, I thought it suited the film and the intro very well.

I liked the nods to old, non-Daniel Craig Bond movies. Unlike Skyfall, where they were about as subtle as being hit in the face with a hammer, here they were excellent nods. The sequence on the wooden train :wub: The references to skiing and the downhill mountain snow scenes. The white cat and Blofeld's burnt eye. The little nods to Skyfall were great too - the dog on the desk, Bond talking about being shot by mistake.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Herdanos » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:28 pm

Sorry, Skippy, but that is a terrible review.

It's as if you've got Skyfall and Spectre mixed up. :lol:

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Skippy » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:47 pm

Spectre is the one with the dude with a messed up jaw and the Heineken ad right?

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by BID0 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:06 pm

Skyfall is the worst Craig Bond. Spectre is a close second.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Memento Mori » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:43 pm

Casino > Skyfall > Spectre > Quantum

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Drumstick » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:45 pm

Some of you lot are mental. Skyfall is comfortably his 2nd best at worst.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by tomvek » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:01 pm

A friend of mine who's opinions I trust saw it last week and said it was nowhere near as good as Skyfall and Casino Royale which has killed my excitement a little bit. Still hoping to see it sometime next week though.

I thought Skyfall was excellent, might re-watch it before I see Spectre.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Pancake » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:49 pm

I don't understand how anyone can hate Skyfall, it is a great film...

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Dual » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:08 pm

BID0 wrote:Skyfall is the worst Craig Bond. Spectre is a close second.


What a load of rubbish.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Kanbei » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:19 pm

Memento Mori wrote:Casino > Skyfall > Spectre > Quantum


Yup this, really enjoyed Casino, Skyfall and Spectre as well.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Imrahil » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:28 pm

Casino Royale 9/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skyfall 7/10>Spectre 7/10>>QoS 6/10

On the whole he's actually been a pretty average Bond. Casino Royale is a bit of a classic, but the rest have been nothing special at all.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Tafdolphin » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:11 pm

Firstly, Dan. Dan Dan Dan. Dan! Dan? Dan.

You are mental.

Spectre though. Comfortably the second worst Craig outing. I mean, nothing near as unwatchable as QoS but if that film's mistake was its ridiculous plotting Spectre's is its complete lack of any. The whole thing was a collection of locales connected by the thinnest of thin plot and bunch of two dimensional "characters" doing...well. Bit of this. Bit of that. Stuff.

It looks like they had a vague overview, a meta-narrative perhaps, but couldn't flesh it out. The film was actually not that badly paced but the content in the moments free of booms was poor. Compare, as the film did, the train sequence from Casino and this. The former is a joy, a light hearted meeting of equals full of spike and sass and fun. Here it's a one sided barrage of 60's era innuendos. There's no depth to anyone here, from Bond to M to "Oberhauser." They turn up, do the one activity they are allotted (fight, hack, boss, menace) and that's it. Even the action is pedestrian, minus the opening and train fight. The car chase is an unexpected low that reminded me of strawberry floating Ridge Racer more then anything.

So yeah. The most 7/10 film I've seen for a while.

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PostRe: SPECTRE (Bond 24) - Oct 26, 2015
by Skippy » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:16 pm

You say all that but give it a 7/10? :lol:


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