Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
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7%
Remain
159
93%
 
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by DML » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:21 pm

Photek wrote:So May is going to change nothing from the last failed attempt later today then... Excellent.


I wouldn't focus too much on May and what she says, shes utterly paralyzed at this point.

She also doesn't want to fall on her sword if it lets an ERG in. I think shes holding on for dear life not for her job but for the next leader. Her legacy is already decided.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:27 pm

I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:29 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.

And you know what, I wouldn't rule out the latter. We're about to go through a seismic shift politics wise. Theres absolutely no way we just drift to No Deal, moves will be made, its just who makes them first and what they are.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:36 pm

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:41 pm

DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.


Yep. May can’t do it because the ERG would lose their minds and the gammon around the country would be threatening civil war. They won’t accept anything except no deal now. And it wouldn’t please many people. Leavers want to leave, Remainers want to remain. A halfway house (while preferable to no deal!) suits nobody.

Having said that, I think the only options left are no deal or Remain. No deal is the most likely to happen as it seems unlikely the Tories will lose face by calling for another referendum, but a referendum is a possible way out of the mess and hopefully all of this mess has convinced enough people that leaving is a silly idea.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:42 pm

Lagamorph wrote:

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Mmmm chlorinated chicken and maggot infested food. :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:50 pm

Just listened to Simon Coveney (our deputy PM) who was on BBC 4 this morning. He tore John Humphries to shreds with simple facts.

Particular highlight was Humphries saying "Boris johnson says Ireland are being unrelastic" and Coveneys response was "who gives a f***" basically.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:34 pm

Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.


Yep. May can’t do it because the ERG would lose their minds and the gammon around the country would be threatening civil war. They won’t accept anything except no deal now. And it wouldn’t please many people. Leavers want to leave, Remainers want to remain. A halfway house (while preferable to no deal!) suits nobody.

Having said that, I think the only options left are no deal or Remain. No deal is the most likely to happen as it seems unlikely the Tories will lose face by calling for another referendum, but a referendum is a possible way out of the mess and hopefully all of this mess has convinced enough people that leaving is a silly idea.



I don't understand why labour wouldn't support that option though as it becomes obvious that there will be no new referendum.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:39 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.


Yep. May can’t do it because the ERG would lose their minds and the gammon around the country would be threatening civil war. They won’t accept anything except no deal now. And it wouldn’t please many people. Leavers want to leave, Remainers want to remain. A halfway house (while preferable to no deal!) suits nobody.

Having said that, I think the only options left are no deal or Remain. No deal is the most likely to happen as it seems unlikely the Tories will lose face by calling for another referendum, but a referendum is a possible way out of the mess and hopefully all of this mess has convinced enough people that leaving is a silly idea.



I don't understand why labour wouldn't support that option though as it becomes obvious that there will be no new referendum.


Because Labour are keeping their options open. Also it suits Labour for the Tories to make a complete pigs ear of the whole thing.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:45 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.


Yep. May can’t do it because the ERG would lose their minds and the gammon around the country would be threatening civil war. They won’t accept anything except no deal now. And it wouldn’t please many people. Leavers want to leave, Remainers want to remain. A halfway house (while preferable to no deal!) suits nobody.

Having said that, I think the only options left are no deal or Remain. No deal is the most likely to happen as it seems unlikely the Tories will lose face by calling for another referendum, but a referendum is a possible way out of the mess and hopefully all of this mess has convinced enough people that leaving is a silly idea.



I don't understand why labour wouldn't support that option though as it becomes obvious that there will be no new referendum.


Because Labour are keeping their options open. Also it suits Labour for the Tories to make a complete pigs ear of the whole thing.


Does it really suit labour future negotiating postion for us to go out on a no deal?

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by Corazon de Leon » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:50 pm

It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if there was a November general election due to the sheer, mind-numbing idiocy of the Tory party over the Irish border question causing the DUP to abandon them and triggering a vote of no confidence. If that happens, you might see a second referendum. I'd vote strawberry floating lib-dem if they made it happen.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:50 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I still don’t understand why we can’t just move to EEA and EFTA membership as a temporary solution whilst we try to decide what to do for the long term future. Pay the agreed £39bn. An organised withdrawal. Allows the Tories if they honestly feel they have the will of the people to form a new government in a general election with a clear mandate about what they intend to do or labour to set out their own clear plan should they get into power. It delivers on the referendum as we are out of the EU (obviously it will anger a few million aggressive’s).

Obviously my preferred solution is retaining EU membership but we all know that’s not happening.


Because May cannot push that through. I'm sure she'd love to do that.


Yep. May can’t do it because the ERG would lose their minds and the gammon around the country would be threatening civil war. They won’t accept anything except no deal now. And it wouldn’t please many people. Leavers want to leave, Remainers want to remain. A halfway house (while preferable to no deal!) suits nobody.

Having said that, I think the only options left are no deal or Remain. No deal is the most likely to happen as it seems unlikely the Tories will lose face by calling for another referendum, but a referendum is a possible way out of the mess and hopefully all of this mess has convinced enough people that leaving is a silly idea.



I don't understand why labour wouldn't support that option though as it becomes obvious that there will be no new referendum.


Because Labour are keeping their options open. Also it suits Labour for the Tories to make a complete pigs ear of the whole thing.


Does it really suit labour future negotiating postion for us to go out on a no deal?


Maybe, but the thought would be more that it suits them winning the next general election if the Tories are in charge when we crash out with no deal.

As Barry Gardiner (Shadow Secretary of State for International Trade) put it:

twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1043282469745840128


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:07 pm

Corbyn wants no deal so letting the Conservatives get it for him suits him just fine.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:26 pm

Photek wrote:Just listened to Simon Coveney (our deputy PM) who was on BBC 4 this morning. He tore John Humphries to shreds with simple facts.

Particular highlight was Humphries saying "Boris johnson says Ireland are being unrelastic" and Coveneys response was "who gives a f***" basically.


Don’t worry mate, after Irexit you can join the UK.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:28 pm

Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:Just listened to Simon Coveney (our deputy PM) who was on BBC 4 this morning. He tore John Humphries to shreds with simple facts.

Particular highlight was Humphries saying "Boris johnson says Ireland are being unrelastic" and Coveneys response was "who gives a f***" basically.


Don’t worry mate, after Irexit you can join the UK.

twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/1052512734401765377


That makes no sense on many many levels, impressive. Your MP's are making our ones look highly intelligent...in fact the gulf is so vast that I can't quite believe what I'm reading/seeing. I always wonder how George Bush and Trump would do over here in Ireland and the UK and they'd have zero chance, now I'm starting to think the UK would probably vote them in.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:35 pm

Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:Just listened to Simon Coveney (our deputy PM) who was on BBC 4 this morning. He tore John Humphries to shreds with simple facts.

Particular highlight was Humphries saying "Boris johnson says Ireland are being unrelastic" and Coveneys response was "who gives a f***" basically.


Don’t worry mate, after Irexit you can join the UK.

twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/1052512734401765377


That makes no sense on many many levels, impressive.


Kate Hoey is our most intelligent hard Brexiter.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Herdanos » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:33 pm

Whilst I am 100% pro remain, I am now thinking of the long term good that might come out of Brexit (straw clutching I know). Perhaps it's for the best that our stupid nation takes a good kicking in international terms. The last remnants of our ill-gotten empire - I'm thinking northern Ireland and Gibraltar at this point given that no one lived on the Falklands when the English showed up - will go back into rightful possession and morons like the Tories will no longer be able to trot out nonsense to a brainwashed nation unjustifiably convinced of their global superiority. The way the government have dealt with Ireland during this process has made being British a universal embarrassment.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:36 pm

Quantum Name wrote:Whilst I am 100% pro remain, I am now thinking of the long term good that might come out of Brexit (straw clutching I know). Perhaps it's for the best that our stupid nation takes a good kicking in international terms. The last remnants of our ill-gotten empire - I'm thinking northern Ireland and Gibraltar at this point given that no one lived on the Falklands when the English showed up - will go back into rightful possession and morons like the Tories will no longer be able to trot out nonsense to a brainwashed nation unjustifiably convinced of their global superiority. The way the government have dealt with Ireland during this process has made being British a universal embarrassment.


No chance with Gibraltar, they are massively pro Britain.

I could see Northern Ireland rejoining the Republic though and possibly Scottish independence.

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by Jenuall » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:44 pm

Moggy wrote:
Quantum Name wrote:Whilst I am 100% pro remain, I am now thinking of the long term good that might come out of Brexit (straw clutching I know). Perhaps it's for the best that our stupid nation takes a good kicking in international terms. The last remnants of our ill-gotten empire - I'm thinking northern Ireland and Gibraltar at this point given that no one lived on the Falklands when the English showed up - will go back into rightful possession and morons like the Tories will no longer be able to trot out nonsense to a brainwashed nation unjustifiably convinced of their global superiority. The way the government have dealt with Ireland during this process has made being British a universal embarrassment.


No chance with Gibraltar, they are massively pro Britain.

I could see Northern Ireland rejoining the Republic though and possibly Scottish independence.


Yeah self determination is a pretty big deal. If the people of Gibraltar (and anywhere similar like the Falklands) want to remain British then under what right and/or mechanism are they to "go back into rightful possession"?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:52 pm

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