Brexit Thread 2

[Samuel_1]

Says a lot about voters in this country too. Seems around 40% intend to vote Tory no matter what. I don't see those voters jumping over to Labour if Corbyn suddenly started being more EU friendly or if someone else took over without leaning more towards Tory policies, and even then will the majority of the boomer generation ever trust Labour with the economy or immigration again? The Tory party is still viewed as the best bet for delivering Brexit too, which most of them voted for. The Lib Dems don't appear to be getting anywhere either.

They would probably trust labour if there was not a hard left Moron running the party.

I would argue that he is not a moron at all and his policies make a lot of sense. Some of his actions have been misguided and he is conflicted over Brexit, but he is not a moron. He is an issue, but this is largely due to the fact that the press have been pummeling since he took over the Labour party, this, in my view, is not due to his incompetence but the agenda of the press and it's owners.

[Samuel_1]

and even then will the majority of the boomer generation ever trust Labour with the economy

Because the Tories are doing a great job with the economy? Was it Labour that caused the crash or investment banks that the Tories still refuse to curb? The answer is the latter.

[Garth]

Because the Tories are doing a great job with the economy? Was it Labour that caused the crash or investment banks that the Tories still refuse to curb? The answer is the latter.

I agree, but I think it's very difficult to change the mind of people who've bought into the narrative over the last decade that it was all Labour's fault and who believe whatever the Tories do with the economy, even if it's not spectacular, is automatically better than the complete disaster Labour would bring. They'll willingly stomach so much gooseberry fool through fear of a Labour government running the economy again.

[Lex-Man]

From last night’s Saturday Night Live on NBC:



Just gloss over some of the Americanisms (“vacation”) when you watch it.

They just showed some of this on the BBC, it's not funny in the slightest

If you have to say who you are for the joke to work, you impersonation is crap.

To be fair I'm guessing the name were necessary because even with spot on impressions very few Americans would have known who they were meant to be unless told.

[Garth]

twitter.com/NvOndarza/status/1074581863493185538

[Garth]

twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1074626930664706048

[Garth]

twitter.com/Peston/status/1074680714497536000

[Moggy]

twitter.com/mocent0/status/1074556134621659136

Sounds good to me.

[Hexx]

More strawberry floating faffing gimmicky fudge from Corbyn

[Lex-Man]

twitter.com/mocent0/status/1074556134621659136

Sounds good to me.

I concur.

Also I hope that Corbyn calls a no confidence vote that would be pretty funny.

[Hexx]

Also I hope that Corbyn calls a no confidence vote that would be pretty funny.

It's strawberry floating toothless gimmick.

By making against the PM (not the government) a) it doesn't have to occur, there's no obligation it the motion to be voted on (until an opposition day) and b) it doesn't DO anything (even if the Tories decide to humilate May they can't get rid of her, and the government doesn't have dissolve)

Putting pressure on the government by something the can just ignore (in every sense). Brav-chuffin-ho

[Hexx]

DUP and ERG both making noises they'd back her.

[satriales]

DUP and ERG both making noises they'd back her.

Which is why Labour can't call an actual confidence vote in the government. No matter how split the Tories are, none of them will vote themselves out of Government. With the DUP still on their side the numbers aren't there.

[Garth]

If the ERG and DUP back May on this there's no hope for a confidence vote on the government.

[Hexx]

An actual confidence motion in the government would have to occur though - this can be dismissed out of hand and never occur. And even if it does occur - it means nothing.

Why would any DUP/Tory rebel pointlessly? And least a proper no conference would a) occur and b) have consequence leading to weight behind decisions.

It's a flub from Corbyn - try to appear to do something (however meaningless), still get hold out "We want a GE!" excuse to avoid having to talk about second vote (or god forbid call for one if the actual non confidence failed)

[Hexx]

If the ERG and DUP back May on this there's no hope for a confidence vote on the government.

Well there might be - but it's very very slim.

But if that vote was called and failed that would then put Labor in the position of having to push for a second referendum (as per conference position) which some Tories are far more likely to support.

Since Corbyn doesn't want that - there's this flub. So technically they haven't failed to get a GE (because they haven't and won't try) Lab's position remains "We want a GE"

[Hypes]

God I despise this witch

[Hexx]

He's bottled it anyway.

Despite pre-released demands for a vote, he's backed down for a vote a month from now.

SNP actually behaving as an opposition

[Rex Kramer]

Another month wasted.

[DML]

God I despise this witch

Amen.