Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
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7%
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93%
 
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by lex-man » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:57 pm



I have no words.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hyperion » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:42 pm

So if 15 Labour MPs are willing to vote against EEA/Customs Union, are there even the numbers with Tory rebels to vote through this amendment should it come back from the Lords?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:43 pm

Hyperion wrote:So if 15 Labour MPs are willing to vote against EEA/Customs Union, are there even the numbers with Tory rebels to vote through this amendment should it come back from the Lords?

Only if the entire Labour party were to vote for EEA membership which Corbyn will never allow.
Even if that did happen, it's unknown if there would be enough Tory rebels. But knowing that Labour will be voting with them could inspire enough rebels to vote and swing it.

As it stood, in tonight's vote with Labour under orders to abstain there were probably more than a few Tories who figured that rebelling would do no good and it'd be a meaningless sacrifice of their careers. If they thought they had a chance of being on the winning side though they might decide it's worth the risk.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:16 pm


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:22 pm

It doesn’t matter.
You can’t win with rational facts etc any more.
The type of broken people you’d have to convince are way beyond that

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by captain red dog » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:34 pm

Hexx wrote:It doesn’t matter.
You can’t win with rational facts etc any more.
The type of broken people you’d have to convince are way beyond that

Except that doesn't deal with rational facts, that report is on a forecast and market speculation.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:36 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Hexx wrote:It doesn’t matter.
You can’t win with rational facts etc any more.
The type of broken people you’d have to convince are way beyond that

Except that doesn't deal with rational facts, that report is on a forecast and market speculation.


Reports on forecast and market speculation deal far more with rational facts than the vast majority of guff that comes out of some Leavers mouths.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:04 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Hexx wrote:It doesn’t matter.
You can’t win with rational facts etc any more.
The type of broken people you’d have to convince are way beyond that

Except that doesn't deal with rational facts, that report is on a forecast and market speculation.


So it’s not a fact (yet another) arch brexiteer’s taking actions that directly contradicts all the lies and false assurance they spewed that leavers gleeful accept?


Mo’kay :simper:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Hexx wrote:It doesn’t matter.
You can’t win with rational facts etc any more.
The type of broken people you’d have to convince are way beyond that


Ever since John Redwood started advising business colleagues not to invest in Britain due to Brexit, it was over. There are no depths, no levels of cognitive dissonance, these people won't stoop to.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:12 pm

Good job in reality there has been a lot of continued investment in Britain since the Brexit vote... far more than many predicted.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:22 pm

EU have drawn up a contingency transport proposals connecting Ireland to the Europe should the UK leave with no deal.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0614/970482-maritime-links/

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hyperion » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Thought it was going to be a massive bridge. Am disappointed

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by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:42 pm

No, that’s the new Boris bridge connecting England to France.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:49 pm

KK wrote:Good job in reality there has been a lot of continued investment in Britain since the Brexit vote... far more than many predicted.


We’ll see how well that holds up in the event of a hard Brexit.

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by Hexx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:14 pm

MPs will be granted a vote which they believe would block a “no-deal” Brexit if the negotiations in Brussels fail, under a deal struck with Theresa May.

The prime minister has agreed to the showdown, in February 2019, to avert a threatened revolt by pro-EU Tory rebels after talks today, The Independent has learned.Full details of the amendment to be tabled to the EU Withdrawal Bill will be published later, ahead of a 5pm deadline for debating it in the House of Lords on Monday.

Leading rebel Anna Soubry tweeted her delight with the outcome, saying: “Dominic Grieve should be hailed a hero for what he has achieved for democracy.“Deal or no deal Parliament will have a meaningful vote and to be clear there will be no hard #Brexit when the EU Withdrawal Bill is passed.

”Mr Grieve, the former attorney general leading the revolt, had insisted that MPs must have the power to prevent a “no deal” – threatening Ms May with defeat next week if she refused.He was also pushing to force the government to give MPs a decisive say on the next steps if the talks are still deadlocked at the end of November – or if the Commons has rejected a deal.

It was unclear whether that part of his amendment would survive in the fresh text to be put forward for next week’s clashes.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hyperion » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:24 pm


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:29 pm

Hyperion wrote:


Yeah - that "agreement" May brokered lasted even less time that the other one!

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:41 pm

It's so obvious that she is trying to just hold on to her job right now. She will say or promise anything to do that.

She's the worst PM that I can remember. It's still somewhat surprising how strawberry floating shite and ineffectual she is.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:00 pm


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by lex-man » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:11 pm

I'm actually looking forward to the release of all files relating to this government. I know it's years away, but it's going to be hilarious.


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