Brexit Thread 2

[Squinty]

strawberry floating eejit.

[Garth]

twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1043127597838884864

[Jenuall]

Where are people seeing this? They never seem to have any "Live" stuff on the BBC news site any more.

That said I'm not sure I want to watch it.

Here's text updates if you can stomach those

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 48641.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... side-no-10

Thanks.

Deep breath... I'm going in!

[OrangeRKN]

[deficit chat]

Thanks for this, it was actually very interesting

On topic: Everything is terrible

[Lagamorph]

The pound was dropping in real time as her speech went on.

[satriales]

She should have just done the dance.

[Hexx]

Corbyn's put something out

Theresa May’s Brexit negotiating strategy has been a disaster. The Tories have spent more time arguing among themselves than negotiating with the EU.

From day one, the Prime Minister has looked incapable of delivering a good Brexit deal for Britain. The political games from both the EU and our Government need to end because no deal is not an
option

strawberry float him for aping/endorsing the Brexiteer message yet again

[Jenuall]

The whole idea that the EU are playing games is just so infuriating.

We chose to leave, they set out a very clear structure in which this could happen and stated some conditions and hard rules that would apply. From that point on we are the ones who need to come up with a viable exit plan and they are perfectly within their rights to keep rejecting us when we continually turn up with something which they have already ruled out!

[Lagamorph]

twitter.com/MMQWalker/status/1043148955243163648

[Garth]

twitter.com/Peston/status/1043183991514382338

Edit:

The European Union and its leaders fully respect the UK’s decision expressed in the referendum on leaving the EU. From the very beginning of the negotiations we have been focused on finding a deal that will minimise the damage resulting from Brexit. Also important to us is to create the best possible relations between the EU and the UK in the future. We studied the Chequers proposals in all seriousness. The results of our analysis have been known to the British side in every detail for many weeks. After intensive consultations with Member States, we decided that for the good of the negotiations, and out of respect for the efforts of PM May, we will treat the Chequers plan as a step in the right direction. In Salzburg, right before our meeting I said in a public statement: “I would like to stress that some of Prime Minister May's proposals from Chequers indicate a positive evolution in the UK's approach as well as a will to minimise the negative effects of Brexit. By this I mean, among other things, the readiness to cooperate closely in the area of security and foreign policy. On other issues, such as the Irish question, or the rules of economic cooperation, the UK's proposals will need to be reworked and further negotiated.” The UK stance presented just before and during the Salzburg meeting was surprisingly tough and in fact uncompromising. The response of the EU27 leaders was to reiterate our trust in chief negotiator Michel Barnier and to reiterate our position on the integrity of the Single Market and the Irish backstop. While understanding the logic of the negotiations, I remain convinced that a compromise, good for all, is still possible. I say these words as a close friend of the UK and a true admirer of PM May.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press ... otiations/

[Memento Mori]

Labour should have worked on reducing the deficit in the economically strong years prior to the recession. The Conservatives should not have gone hard on austerity to reduce the deficit during a recession. Labour lacked foresight and the Conservatives did the complete opposite of what they should have.

That's my amateur level economics take.

I wish we could've had someone like you as Chancellor during the good years. Before the dark times. Before the Tories.

Labour did get the deficit down, from 97 - 2001 Labour pushed the deficit down into negative figures in comparison to the Major years where the Tories had been economically unstable with the deficit being well over 5% of GDP at certain points.

From 2001 - 2006/2007 it then stayed fairly consistent at around 2.5-3% of GDP, hardly an indication of terrible management by Labour.

Also the deficit is not the real problem, debt is. Running a deficit is not necessarily something to be concerned about if you are not actually building up significant amounts of debt. From 1994 until 2007 our national debt stayed fairly consistent at around 40% of GDP, it was only following the crisis in 2008 and the subsequent mishandling of the situation by the Conservatives that we see a massive spike in debt.

Debt was only around 40% of GDP if you pretend the billions of pounds of PFI deals Brown kept off-balance sheet don't exist. To the detriment of our hospitals they do exist.

[Meep]

One of the problems seems to be that the UK is still negotiating from the mistaken belief that somehow the UK and the EU are equals. From that perspective then the behaviour of the EU might seem disrespectful. However, considering the UK is a far inferior power to the EU, they are showing all due deference. A massive economic power like the EU cannot be expected to compromise it's internal market rules much for the convenience of something one fifth its size.

[KK]

twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1043232799803826177

How do you cock that headline up. It’s The UltiMaytum.

And a recycled one:

twitter.com/thesun/status/1043247240096165889

[Qikz]

Brexit fightback is giving up since you know you done strawberry floated it all. I sure remember all those times I fought back by doing strawberry float all. lol

[DML]

Calling it a stirring riposte is more of a stretch than Armstrong.

[Garth]

twitter.com/JenWilliamsMEN/status/1043210029065752576

Christ. In a no-deal Brexit, Javid would want to suspend environmental regulations, workers' rights and auto-enrolment in workplace pensions - that'd go down great

[Return_of_the_STAR]

twitter.com/JenWilliamsMEN/status/1043210029065752576

Christ. In a no-deal Brexit, Javid would want to suspend environmental regulations, workers' rights and auto-enrolment in workplace pensions - that'd go down great

See the brexiteers were right, everything will be fine in a no deal scenario. We just have to give up all our right and pensions. Don't worry about it. You will die from exhaustion before pensionable age anyway as you will now be working 100 hours a week.

[Lagamorph]

twitter.com/Peston/status/1043256096197099521

I wish I lived on the continent because this gooseberry fool would be utterly hilarious if I wasn't living in the firing line of it all.

[Alvin Flummux]

twitter.com/JenWilliamsMEN/status/1043210029065752576

Christ. In a no-deal Brexit, Javid would want to suspend environmental regulations, workers' rights and auto-enrolment in workplace pensions - that'd go down great

This is making me seriously reconsider moving back home.

[Benzin]

Most of the Leave voters are retired anyway so workers rights doesn't matter to them...