Brexit Thread 2

[Garth]

David Davis asked the PM to publish the DEXEEU draft free trade deal that was being worked on, sounds like a no.

[Squinty]

The introduction of a hard border in NI would surely significantly increase the prospect of a united Ireland and therefore I think Sinn Fein are happy to let this one play out.

It's likely that is the case. But the people they are meant to be representing are still going to be thrown under a bus in the pursuit of this.

[Garth]

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[Trelliz]

The introduction of a hard border in NI would surely significantly increase the prospect of a united Ireland and therefore I think Sinn Fein are happy to let this one play out.

It's likely that is the case. But the people they are meant to be representing are still going to be thrown under a bus in the pursuit of this.

Is that the "£350m per week to the NHS" bus? If so at least the hospital care will be affordable, right?

[Photek]

I feel that the situation is becoming so extreme, that they should at least think about putting aside differences and engaging, for the good of all the people of NI. We did not want this, and we have very little representation that reflects this vote.

Again, the DUP should do this, Sinn Fein has never sat in westminster, it's just stupid to think they should do so all of a sudden.

[Moggy]

I feel that the situation is becoming so extreme, that they should at least think about putting aside differences and engaging, for the good of all the people of NI. We did not want this, and we have very little representation that reflects this vote.

Again, the DUP should do this, Sinn Fein has never sat in westminster, it's just stupid to think they should do so all of a sudden.

I think you are missing Squinty's point. He is in no way defending the DUP, he is saying that Sinn Fein could have a massive impact on this whole situation if they engaged. We all know the reasons why Sinn Fein don’t engage and nobody expects they suddenly will, but they really could make a big difference to the people of NI if they did.

Rex Kramer is right though, it is completely in Sinn Fein’s interests to watch all of this blow up (pun intended), a united Ireland is far more likely if Brexit is forced on NI and if it goes terribly.

[Photek]

It just think in terms of putting aside differences, for the DUP to change their vote is a much smaller leap than Sinn Fein taking up seats in a Parliament they never sat in, ever.

There's also the point that several other ministers would change their vote to appose SF so it wouldn't change anything either way. There is a false equivalency issue at heart here.

Northern Ireland voted Remain, Sinn Fein is representing the 'will of the people' and the DUP are not, I don't see SF not taking up seats being as big an issue as the DUP's voting.

*note: I have never voted Sinn Fein in my life and never will.

[Rex Kramer]

The introduction of a hard border in NI would surely significantly increase the prospect of a united Ireland and therefore I think Sinn Fein are happy to let this one play out.

It's likely that is the case. But the people they are meant to be representing are still going to be thrown under a bus in the pursuit of this.

They used to blow those people up just to pursue a political point, I'd say this is a significant improvement.

[Moggy]

There's also the point that several other ministers would change their vote to appose SF so it wouldn't change anything either way. There is a false equivalency issue at heart here.

I am not sure who you think would change their Brexit votes just to oppose Sinn Fein stepping in, but the 7 Sinn Fein votes could certainly have stopped the bills over the last few days.

Again, I don’t think anybody believes it is ever going to happen, but Sinn Fein could make a difference if they chose to.

[Photek]

There's a a lot of hatred towards Sinn Fein in Westminster (understandably), you'd be surprised how things would play out, also how would the Mail and Sun see it!? it'd be a nightmare.

[Moggy]

There's a a lot of hatred towards Sinn Fein in Westminster (understandably), you'd be surprised how things would play out, also how would the Mail and Sun see it!? it'd be a nightmare.

The hard right Tories and the right wing newspapers would hate it, but they hate most things.

Do you think Corbyn’s Labour would turn against Sinn Fein? Do you think the Lib Dems would turn towards hard Brexit if Sinn Fein voted for soft/no Brexit? Do you think the SNP would decide to support the Tories? Would Plaid Cymru suddenly decide Thatcher was right to close the mines? Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

If Sinn Fein wanted to fight against Brexit in Westminster, then I don’t think it’d have a negative impact on stopping/softening Brexit. It’s not in Sinn Fein’s interest to fight Brexit though so there’s no reason for them to do it (as well as all the other reasons why they wouldn’t join Westminster!).

[Garth]

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[That]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

[Moggy]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

I remind you that this isn’t the worst timeline and that there is a timeline out there where Prime Minister Oswald Mosley joined the German Reich in 1940 and in 2016 President Alex Jones signed a non-aggression pact with Reich Chancellor Farage.

[That]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

I remind you that this isn’t the worst timeline and that there is a timeline out there where Prime Minister Oswald Mosley joined the German Reich in 1940 and in 2016 President Alex Jones signed a non-aggression pact with Reich Chancellor Farage.

[Jenuall]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

I remind you that this isn’t the worst timeline and that there is a timeline out there where Prime Minister Oswald Mosley joined the German Reich in 1940 and in 2016 President Alex Jones signed a non-aggression pact with Reich Chancellor Farage.

At least there would be an obvious and up front evil to confront in that timeline.

Whilst we may not be in as immediate a horror scenario as that we have to contend with the long drawn out feeling of dread and despair as things slowly slide into a toxic misery that's never quite tangible enough to rally against.

Happy Days!

[Moggy]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

I remind you that this isn’t the worst timeline and that there is a timeline out there where Prime Minister Oswald Mosley joined the German Reich in 1940 and in 2016 President Alex Jones signed a non-aggression pact with Reich Chancellor Farage.

At least there would be an obvious and up front evil to confront in that timeline.

Whilst we may not be in as immediate a horror scenario as that we have to contend with the long drawn out feeling of dread and despair as things slowly slide into a toxic misery that's never quite tangible enough to rally against.

Happy Days!

In a timeline where the third Reich lasted until 2018, I don’t think we would be in any position to be confronting the evil.

Although at least Europe would be united in that timeline.

[Rex Kramer]

Would Caroline Lucas marry Jacob Rees-Mogg as a big strawberry float you to those damn Irish Catholics?

I remind you that this is The Worst Timeline and anything is possible.

I remind you that this isn’t the worst timeline and that there is a timeline out there where Prime Minister Oswald Mosley joined the German Reich in 1940 and in 2016 President Alex Jones signed a non-aggression pact with Reich Chancellor Farage.

At least there would be an obvious and up front evil to confront in that timeline.

Whilst we may not be in as immediate a horror scenario as that we have to contend with the long drawn out feeling of dread and despair as things slowly slide into a toxic misery that's never quite tangible enough to rally against.

Happy Days!

In a timeline where the third Reich lasted until 2018, I don’t think we would be in any position to be confronting the evil.

Although at least Europe would be united in that timeline.

I bet the trains also run on time.

[Photek]

We are more united than ever these days I reckon.

[Moggy]

We are more united than ever these days I reckon.

I am shocked to see a Liverpool fan say that.