Brexit Thread 2

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
7%
Remain
159
93%
 
Total votes: 171
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Green Gecko » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:25 am

I got woken up at 7am on a Saturday by three literal explosions in succession lighting up the sky, it appears the Britain exits the eu thread has gone full meltdown. What a life

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Green Gecko » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:32 am

jawafour wrote:
Photek wrote:...You’ve taken part in destroying lives....what was it? Too many brown people?...

It's hard to see the context of this comment as some other posts appeared to be questionable and have been deleted but I can't imagine a situation in which this would stand as acceptable.

It's not exactly unusual for this thread, though.

Agreed

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:33 am

jawafour wrote:
Photek wrote:...You’ve taken part in destroying lives....what was it? Too many brown people?...

It's hard to see the context of this comment as some other posts appeared to be questionable and have been deleted but I can't imagine a situation in which this would stand as acceptable.

It's not exactly unusual for this thread, though.


It is quite unusual though isn’t it?

I get that the people in this thread don’t agree with your views (whatever they are) but there’s no need to pop in just to pretend we are all in here saying “lol Leavers all hate brown people”.

If you want to debate then fine, but coming in just to snipe at people that are worried about their and their children’s futures is a very poor show indeed.

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by Green Gecko » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:50 am

I'm confused who "you" is in that post.

Anyway both were being cockwombles, sort it out geezers.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:58 am

Green Gecko wrote:I'm confused who "you" is in that post.


If you’re referring to my post then it’s Jawa.

Anyway both were being cockwombles, sort it out geezers.


Now that’s true. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by jawafour » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:02 am

Moggy wrote:It is quite unusual though isn’t it?

I get that the people in this thread don’t agree with your views (whatever they are) but there’s no need to pop in just to pretend we are all in here saying “lol Leavers all hate brown people”.

If you want to debate then fine, but coming in just to snipe at people that are worried about their and their children’s futures is a very poor show indeed.

I know I shouldn't even respond as it's just adding to the deflection from that comment... but I don't accept your suggestion that this thread is just a simple chat between worried people. Boundaries are regularly pushed and - in my view - even though it is an understandably delicate and fiery topic, advantage is often taken of the light touch that the mods apply.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:15 am

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:It is quite unusual though isn’t it?

I get that the people in this thread don’t agree with your views (whatever they are) but there’s no need to pop in just to pretend we are all in here saying “lol Leavers all hate brown people”.

If you want to debate then fine, but coming in just to snipe at people that are worried about their and their children’s futures is a very poor show indeed.

I know I shouldn't even respond as it's just adding to the deflection from that comment... but I don't accept your suggestion that this thread is just a simple chat between worried people. Boundaries are regularly pushed and - in my view - even though it is an understandably delicate and fiery topic, advantage is often taken of the light touch that the mods apply.


There’s no deflection there. Photek was being a prick, Gemini was being a twat. There’s no argument there.

What’s objectionable is your insinuation that everyone in the thread is posting in Photek’s “all Leavers hate brown people” style. That’s untrue and is not a constructive comment.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Green Gecko » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:29 am

Maybe.. I think jawa is just saying that particular thing was inflammatory and Gemini deleted all of his posts so..

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:32 am

Green Gecko wrote:Maybe.. I think jawa is just saying that particular thing was inflammatory and Gemini deleted all of his posts so..


And I’d have agreed there, but then there was a little snipe at the people in the thread.

It's not exactly unusual for this thread, though.


I think it’s very unusual for this thread. The vast majority of us refrain from accusations of racism towards all Leavers.

And to be fair to Photek the anti-Irish and “do you want a fight” comments were far FAR FAR worse than his “did you vote leave because you don’t like brown people” comment.

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by Garth » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:34 am

Even Moldova has a say over our future now:
The U.K.’s post-Brexit access to $1.7 trillion in public projects relies on the good will of its European neighbors. Too bad Moldova holds a grudge.

The tiny country wedged between Romania and Ukraine is joining half a dozen nations in blocking the U.K.’s re-entry to the World Trade Organization’s Government Procurement Agreement, an accord that smooths the bidding process on public contracts, including in the $837 billion U.S. market.

Why the hold-up? Corina Cojocaru, Moldova’s economic counselor to the WTO, and her team were denied entry to the U.K. last year when they wanted to discuss their future relationship with Britain after it leaves the European Union.

And Cojocaru has a good memory.

“I couldn’t get a visa and a diplomatic passport to go to London to negotiate on government procurement,” Cojocaru said in a telephone interview. “Nobody listened to us for six to seven months.”

For Cojocaru, the diplomatic slight is emblematic of a broader issue: If her delegation wasn’t able to get visas in a timely manner, how could Moldovan suppliers seeking to bid on projects in the U.K. be expected to compete with vendors from nations that have an easier time gaining entry?

Moldova was joined by the U.S., New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, and Israel in expressing concern that the U.K. application didn’t pass muster, according to officials familiar with the accession procedure. U.S. reticence was due to the U.K.’s failure to provide requested information and updates.

While all members of the GPA want to retain access to the U.K.’s 67 billion-pound ($88 billion) public procurement marketplace, they’re still willing to use the opportunity to squeeze some concessions. Some members are seeking increased access to projects such as Britain’s high-speed railways, a Heathrow airport expansion and government IT networks, among others.

And since a majority of the WTO’s agreements are forged by consensus, as is the GPA, each country wields considerable power. GPA members will consider a provisional agreement to the U.K.’s accession bid at the next WTO government procurement committee meeting on Nov. 27.

The U.S., New Zealand and other WTO members have pressed the U.K. to ensure that Brexit doesn’t prevent their companies’ ability to sell more products like lamb, beef and chicken into the U.K. market. The U.S. and New Zealand have already begun procedural moves that presage talks to establish free-trade agreements.

The U.K. will need to iron out its accession difficulties with the other accord members soon, with Britain scheduled to leave the EU on March 29. But as Brexit negotiations reach a crescendo, it’s becoming apparent that any detail, however small, can throw a wrench in the U.K.’s attempt to leave the EU with as little disruption as possible.

On Wednesday, after the U.K. bid to join the GPA stalled, “the U.K. minister for immigration contacted our ambassador in London,” Cojocaru said. “I hope they will be able to find a compromise.”

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Green Gecko » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:35 am

They were.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:44 am

YouGov poll for The Times found that only 3 per cent thought Theresa May was getting a good deal on Brexit, 25 per cent thought a different leader would have done better and 45 per cent thought any other leader would have done just as badly.

In the event of a new vote and a majority voted to remain in the EU, 16 per cent of voters thought that the issue would be settled for the foreseeable future. By contrast 31 per cent said that people would still campaign for a further referendum on whether Britain should leave, while the same proportion said that people would not accept the result and it would risk civil unrest.

Overall voters said that they regretted the outcome of the 2016 referendum but only by a small margin. Some 41 per cent said that Britain was right to vote to leave, while 47 per cent thought that the decision was wrong.

In a choice between no deal and having a second referendum, 43 per cent would prefer the referendum, while 38 per cent chose no deal. In a choice between Mrs May’s deal and the referendum, 34 per cent would prefer her deal, 42 per cent the referendum.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:52 am

I can’t delete my posts on phone for some reason. I’ve edited them tho so if mods can help out please.

Look, the Brexit thing triggers me, it has the potential to create chaos over here so I got really annoyed. I shouldn’t have, I apologise to Gemini. Still think he said some reprehensible things to me but I’ll accept his apology and we can move on.

This is not the norm in here Jawa btw, it really isn’t.

Honestly hope Gemini is ok, not being sarcastic. He’s not a bad dude and is far more popular than myself and these things should stay that way.

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by Garth » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:01 am

Theresa May has been challenged to face her party’s MPs and defend the concessions she has made to Brussels, as tensions rise over her handling of the Brexit negotiations.

The prime minister was called on to address the powerful 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers on Wednesday by one of its members. The chairman of the committee will call a confidence vote over Mrs May if 48 MPs write to him. “I think she would be very wise to come to the 1922 on Wednesday,” one member said.

If accepted, the meeting will come amid another torrid week for Mrs May, who is expected to address the Commons on Monday before briefing the cabinet on Tuesday about the negotiations, which are deadlocked over the Irish border issue.

Mrs May is expected to meet a select group of cabinet ministers again on Thursday in order lay out her thinking.

Penny Mordaunt, Esther McVey and Andrea Leadsom are thought once more to be excluded from the meeting, a move which will increase tensions with those ministers. However, one cabinet source said: “They haven’t moved against her yet and there isn’t a coherent alternative plan so my betting is they won’t.”

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:30 am

Details of a quarter of a million pound anonymous campaign to “chuck Chequers” found on Facebook submitted to Committee

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee is today publishing details of a Facebook advertising campaign, which has been operating in the past 10 months, microtargeting users to ask them to engage with a pro-Brexit, anti-Chequers website. The analysis was completed by the company 89up and submitted to the Committee as evidence into its inquiry into fake news and misinformation.

The site, called the ‘Mainstream Network’, has no known named organisation, UK address, group or individuals publicly connected with it, and this information cannot be found. The campaign is estimated to have reached between 10 and 11 million people on Facebook, with an estimated spend on Facebook of £257,000 based on this reach.

One of the digital adverts discovered by 89up encourage users to email their MP asking them to “chuck chequers.” When clicked on, the advert then generates a pre-populated email lobbying their own MP on the Chequers deal. 89up conclude that this email is in breach of GDPR rules since the email automatically includes its own email address in the BCC field, most likely in order to collect the sender’s email address for further marketing purposes.

Two members of the DCMS Committee, Damian Collins MP and Paul Farrelly MP, are amongst many MPs whose constituents have been targeted.

Damian Collins MP, Chair of the Committee said:

"Here we have an example of a clearly sophisticated organisation spending lots of money on a political campaign, and we have absolutely no idea who is behind it. The only people who know who is paying for these adverts is Facebook.

“While debate on one of the central issues facing our country is part of a thriving democracy, there is an important question of where campaigning stops and political advertising starts. Facebook has recently announced a set of changes to increase transparency around political advertising on its platform. This example offers Facebook an opportunity to show it is committed to making that change happen - if you are targeted with a message or asked to do lobby your MP, you should know exactly who is behind the organisation asking you to do it."

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:19 am

I can’t believe I went to bed right before the threat blew up. Anyway good that both have apologised and moved on, must surely be a reflection of what to expect once the Brexit process is over in 76 yrs time.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:43 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I can’t believe I went to bed right before the threat blew up.


The threats only just begun. :dread:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Gemini73 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:03 pm

Hey guys. Well there is no question I let things get out of hand last night/early hours of this morning.

Threats to another member? Slurs against a nation? That's totally not who I am and I'm as confused about it as you probably are. I can only put it down to my stress levels and anxiety going through the roof due to personal problems at home, so fuelling that with alcohol wasn't the best of ideas. I quit drinking for some time for a multitude of reasons and going back on it clearly isn't doing me any favours. That said it doesn't completely excuse my behaviour last night, which was totally reprehensible and I am equally ashamed and embarrassed by it.

Once again, I apologise to Photek and the rest of the forum. I just hope you guys can give me the benefit of the doubt and forgive my actions.

Peace, bros.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:08 pm

Good to see you both resolved it, no worries.

Anyone here at the People's Vote march?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:12 pm

Garth wrote:Good to see you both resolved it, no worries.

Anyone here at the People's Vote march?


I'm sick as strawberry float today. There's one in Belfast. Seems to have gathered a reasonable crowd outside the City Hall.


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