Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
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Remain
159
93%
 
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:33 pm

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-shut- ... s-11501360

Car giant BMW will shut its main British manufacturing factory immediately after Brexit day next year for several weeks, because of the rising risk of a "no-deal" divorce, Sky News has learned.

The famous Mini plant in Oxford will not produce cars for at least a month from 29 March 2019, as the German giant activates the next stage of its no-deal contingency plans.


(The article does say later it's moving it's summer shut down/maintenance window months forward, rather than an entirely new stoppage)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:59 pm

This interview just about sums brexit up


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Dual » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:46 pm

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Yeah but where is the evidence?

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by KK » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:18 pm

Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, was pushed to the brink of resignation early this year after Jeremy Corbyn and his allies tried to kick his customs union plan into the long grass, senior Labour sources have told the Guardian.

Labour’s Brexit policy has evolved over the past 18 months through a series of painstaking negotiations between key players at the top of the party, the most fraught of which came at a stormy meeting of the “Brexit subcommittee” early this year.

Corbyn’s close allies ambushed Starmer with a paper which shelved the decision on joining a customs union, a policy he had been pushing privately for weeks.

Several people present at the meeting told the Guardian the general feeling in the room was that Starmer was willing to resign rather than accept the proposals, numbered copies of which were handed out at the start of the meeting and retrieved at the end.

“He looked close to telling them to shove it – and I think that did count for something,” said one MP present. “I think Jeremy was slightly surprised at how angry Keir was, and how pissed off he was.”

Another witness to the confrontation said: “Jeremy started speaking, and Keir just said, enough, this was just completely outrageous. He did lose his temper. I think they were genuinely shocked at his reaction. They tried to bounce him and it completely backfired.”

tarmer and his backers on the Brexit subcommittee, including Labour’s leader in the Lords, Angela Smith, and Owen Smith, who was then shadow Northern Ireland secretary, argued a customs union was the only way to safeguard manufacturing supply chains and avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland.

But members of Corbyn’s inner shadow cabinet, which includes Jon Trickett and Diane Abbott, were anxious about appearing to cave in to noisy backbench advocates of a customs union – such as Chuka Umunna and Chris Leslie.

They were also keen to ensure any stance the party ultimately took could reconcile the Brexit leavers and remainers.

So they drafted their own paper, in a move that foreshadowed Theresa May’s attempt to bounce her Brexit secretary, David Davis, at Chequers, by surprising him with a handout that he, at that stage, had not seen.

Within weeks Starmer’s proposal that Labour should sign up to the idea of a customs union – while insisting Britain retained the right to strike its own trade deals – was adopted. But Labour stopped short of advocating joining the single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... toms-union

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:21 pm

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:40 pm

It is amazing how much the press talk about the Chequers Deal, considering its already been rejected!

There is only No Deal, BRINO and a second referendum/delay leaving. Thats it. Everything else is just muddying the waters.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:44 pm

twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1042075021395587072


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by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:46 pm

DML wrote:It is amazing how much the press talk about the Chequers Deal, considering its already been rejected!

There is only No Deal, BRINO and a second referendum/delay leaving. Thats it. Everything else is just muddying the waters.


If we do agree a deal then the government will want the press to refer to it as the chequers deal with some slight amendments so that they appear to have gotten what they wanted so that they are seen as winning in the negotiations. Even if the deal hardly resembles the chequers proposal then I can still see his happening.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:27 pm

twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1042311969460707335


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:35 pm

twitter.com/Peston/status/1042471023692668928


twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1042424760695775233


I think Irish people both sides of the Irish border might know a thing or two about that Theresa :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Blue Eyes » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:03 pm

I’ve taken to twitter to have a go at some of these people who argue against a second vote.

twitter.com/jimmysizzle/status/1042477854410383360



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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:48 pm

Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal
Senior UK officials signal that regulatory checks at Irish Sea ports are now on the table

Theresa May is set to make a major new compromise in Brexit talks in a bid to break the deadlock over the Irish border problem.

Under proposals to be brought forward by the UK government, Britain is expected to accept some checks taking place between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

The plans are likely to spark angry reaction from Brexiteers and the DUP, on whom the PM relies for a Commons majority, who have said that they will not accept any checks or different treatment for Northern Ireland.

The concession comes as Mrs May gave a tough-talking dinner speech to EU leaders in Salzburg in which she said the European Commission’s proposal “that I should assent for a legal separation of the United Kingdom into two customs territories is not credible”.

But the PM’s carefully-worded attack on the EU’s “backstop” notably left the door open to regulatory checks at Irish Sea ports, which are technically different but similar to customs checks.

The shift, combined with other moves by the EU to “de-dramatise” its own backstop plan, means there is now a real possibility that both sides could meet in the middle on the issue – which would allow them to prevent a hard border with Ireland and avoid a no-deal Brexit.

A senior UK government official speaking in the margins of the Salzburg summit said the government would bring forward new proposals for its own backstop, and indicated that regulatory checks on the Irish sea were now on the table.

“There are checks which take place already [between Northern Ireland and Great Britain] in relation to some agricultural products,” the official said.

“On the Irish backstop, we have put forward our proposal in relation to customs backstop. We’ve been having discussions on that with the EU for a number of months now.

“We’ve always said that we will need to bring forward further proposals in relation to the regulatory aspects of the backstop. That will happen.”

The official insisted that customs checks at ports would undermine the economic and constitutional integrity of the UK and would not be drawn on why the Government did not consider regulatory checks to do so as well.

The looming concession by the UK comes after months of work by negotiators on both sides to decide which if any checks could be moved away from ports in a bid to "de-dramatise" them.

Michel Barnier also softened the EU’s stance on Tuesday night, stating that “most checks can take place away from the border – at the company premises or in the markets”.

The Independent understands that some officials regard it as easier to move customs compliance checks away from ports, but not regulatory checks. The combination of concessions – with Britain accepting regulatory checks at ports and the EU moving some customs checks in-land – therefore appears to clear the path for a potential solution.

Whether the compromise backstop would get through the House of Commons is another matter. Mrs May has no majority without the DUP’s nine MPs, but the party’s leader, Arlene Foster, has said “our only red line is that we are not treated any different from the rest of the United Kingdom, that there are no trade barriers put up between Northern Ireland and our biggest market – which, of course, is Great Britain”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 45701.html

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:52 pm

Gee I wonder how the DUP will vote on that. Without being bribed again.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:03 am

At the moment it's hard to see it getting through the Commons. BTW, looks like May really did only get about 10 minutes at the dinner tonight to talk Brexit :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:06 am

Yeah I doubt it'll be popular with anyone. Probably be several people in both the Conservatives and Labour who'd vote against it, and it's not a proposal I can see gaining much traction with either Remainers or Leavers.
Leavers will see it as a betrayal, and Remainers will want the same treatment for the entire UK.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:43 am

LONDON – Liam Fox is planning to use controversial “Henry VIII” powers to scrap European food standards in order to pave the way for a trade deal with the US after Brexit.

Theresa May’s government has insisted that they will not water down EU regulations which currently prohibit the sale of products such as chlorinated chicken and hormone-injected beef in Britain.

However, Fox and Crawford Falconer, the UK’s chief trade negotiation adviser, have privately discussed rewriting UK food standards through the upcoming Trade Bill, a well-placed source with Fox’s Department for International Trade told Business Insider.

The Trade Secretary plans to use statutory instruments which allow the government to rewrite parts of legislation without a vote in parliament, in order to alter the bill once it has been voted on by MPs.


https://www.businessinsider.nl/liam-fox ... =true&r=US

Chlorinated chicken and hormone-beef a go go!

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:46 am

She's going to stick to her "My way or no way" guns because she's desperate to be seen as strong.

She'll completely miss the fact the Brexiteers are VERY happy with no deal. Out at all costs is there objective. It can then be "it would have been great if we did it" and "everyone should make the best of it...REMOANERS"

It's also change the pro-EU argument to "should we rejoin?"...but we'd rejoin on massively different terms. Which will be a much harder sell to middling voters.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:41 pm

Breaking:

Donald Tusk: Theresa May's Brexit trade plan won't work

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:43 pm

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:47 pm

Well..... That's that then.


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