Brexit Thread 2

[Squinty]

[Rex Kramer]

I can just imagine Rees Mogg's smug strawberry floating face when he asked that question. No matter how this spins out, the first order of business should be to implement the EU tax evasion laws in full.

[Squinty]

I'm sure I've seen this proposed before.

It feels like we are trapped in some kind of Brexity Groundhog Day.

Honestly, they just need to admit that people voted for something so nebulous and absolutely impossible to implement. We predicted this would happen. It's strawberry floating nuts.

Edit -

I'm glad someone is talking about the impact on Northern Ireland, I feel that we still don't really know exactly what would happen here if we leave the EU. Putting up border checks again will obviously piss off the Irish population and republicans here, as well as others who enjoy the freedom of the Common Travel Area agreement. Alternatively, if you keep the open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland you'd then surely need checks on everyone coming over to mainland Britain from Northern Ireland? So that it doesn't become a back door for EU migrants into England/Scotland/Wales? Doing that would be a big red flag to unionists here though, right? Plus you'd then still have EU people freely coming into NI.

This post was by Garth on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:24 pm. Looking back to the first Brexit thread, it's mad how on point some people in here were back then, and politicians are still being utterly incompetent over this.

There's another post by Dan, where he basically comes to the same conclusion.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

I’m very confused all the tweets on the past few days seem to suggest that we are heading for a temporary customs union with no end date but the option to leave whenever we feel like it but I can’t seem to find any news media reporting it.

[Pacman]

This must already have been posted but it makes sending a letter (email) to your MP a doddle with a pretty decent template you can edit before sending.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/write_this_wrong

[Garth]

The Daily Mail is attacking Tory Brexiteers disloyal to May now:

Saboteurs endangering our nation

Enough is enough. The time is over for griping, self-promotion and peacocking across the political stage by Tory MPs determined to undermine their leader.

Don’t these posturing rebels understand they are sabotaging the Prime Minister at the most crucial point in our history since the Second World War?

The fact that her own party members should be trying to stop her striking a deal intended to safeguard Britain’s future prosperity is not only deeply disloyal – it is profoundly dangerous.

Their language in recent days has been loathsome. Like vulgar bit-part players in some gory Shakespearean tragedy, these back-stabbing plotters speak darkly of Theresa May ‘entering a killing zone’.

They claim ‘assassination is in the air’, that she is heading for ‘the noose’ and – most egregiously – that ‘the moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted’.

Who on earth speaks like that about their worst enemies, let alone their colleagues? Have these people no sense of duty or respect? One can only imagine what constituents think of their ‘honourable’ Members of Parliament.

Sadly, these obscure backbenchers (mainly anonymous of course, like cowards down the ages) are not alone in their bid to wreck the Prime Minister’s Brexit plans.

The arch-Brexiteers fondly imagine that one of their poster boys, Boris Johnson or David Davis, might win. But what then? With just a few months to go to Brexit, what’s their plan? They speak of a Canada-style agreement, but that doesn’t solve the Irish border question and would throw a spanner in the engine of our economy. Then there is the no-deal option, which would involve a hard border around the UK. We may cope, of course, but it would lead to massive disruption and uncertainty for business as Britain reverted to World Trade Organisation tariffs.

So of the saboteurs who would take us to the edge of the abyss, this paper asks: Are you really prepared to sacrifice the nation’s fortune on the altar of your own egos?

https://www.dailyfail.co.uk/debate/arti ... ation.html

[Benzin]

The Daily Mail is attacking Tory Brexiteers disloyal to May now:

So of the saboteurs who would take us to the edge of the abyss, this paper asks: Are you really prepared to sacrifice the nation’s fortune on the altar of your own egos?

https://www.dailyfail.co.uk/debate/arti ... ation.html

The answer is unfortunately, yes.

[Moggy]

The new Daily Mail editor seems to be moving them away from the hard Brexit that Dacre wanted, towards a soft Brexit. I think the new editor was a Remainer, but I guess he can’t flip the paper completely towards Remain.

It’s too little too late thiugh, the DM readers have been fed a diet of anti-EU stories for decades, they aren’t going to be deprogrammed quickly enough.

[BID0]

Dyson chooses Singapore for first electric car plant

Singapore has trade agreements with China, the largest electric car market in the world, and Japan, and a pending free trade deal with the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/2695b8b0-d60 ... e0dcf18713

[Moggy]

Dyson chooses Singapore for first electric car plant

Singapore has trade agreements with China, the largest electric car market in the world, and Japan, and a pending free trade deal with the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/2695b8b0-d60 ... e0dcf18713

I was just about to post that.

It’s amazing, Dyson was one of the biggest name business Brexit supporters but he doesn’t seem to “believe” in Britain.

[Lagamorph]

What a shock that massive leave supporter James Dyson is a hypocritical banana split.

[BID0]

It's a real shame that the UK (and the US) are not investing and are letting other countries lead the way on these emerging technologies. They will be creating new high skilled jobs that could have gone to the poor areas of the UK and US that have been hit hard over the last 40 years where manufacturing and mining etc once kept those communities thriving. With the other small benefit of not destroying our planet and meeting our climate targets.

[Lex-Man]

I'm guessing his electric car's will be over priced and gooseberry fool so I doubt they'll be in business for long.

[Trelliz]

Dyson chooses Singapore for first electric car plant

Singapore has trade agreements with China, the largest electric car market in the world, and Japan, and a pending free trade deal with the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/2695b8b0-d60 ... e0dcf18713

I was just about to post that.

It’s amazing, Dyson was one of the biggest name business Brexit supporters but he doesn’t seem to “believe” in Britain.

Some of the comments on the BBC:

People don’t seem to understand that leave was about two-fingers to the rich and privileged. If in every way we’re less successful and less educated, that makes us happier.

Yes Brexit will cost billions and probably affect a couple of generations. It may be 100 years, maybe 1,000 to recover, but that will teach you to respect the underdog.

[tolrag]

That’s got to be parody.

Right?

[Victor Mildew]

fedora-wearing misogynist mentality

[Moggy]

That’s got to be parody.

Right?

I doubt it. A lot of Leavers seem to delight in telling everyone that they voted leave as a “strawberry float you” to the “elites” or because they thought the Remain side was “arrogant”. Great reasons to make yourself poorer.

It’s interesting how quickly things went from claiming project fear over claims of economic harm, to “yeah we’ll be poorer but it’s worth it!”.

[Garth]

Peston:

A shocked Cabinet was today told of Department of Transport contingency plans to own or lease roll-on roll-off lorry ferries to make sure vital supplies of goods, food and medicines continue to reach these shores if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

According to work commissioned by Chris Grayling, the transport secretary, a possible French decision to reintroduce customs checks could reduce freight coming into the UK via Dover and the Channel Tunnel by around 85%.

So the UK would in those circumstances have to bring in vital imports to other ports such as the Port of London, Tilbury and Liverpool.

The proposed scheme is called GOOL, or Government Owned or Operated Logistics.

“It’s the kind of stuff governments do in a time of war” said one member of the cabinet. “It is as serious as that”.

That said the best precedent for the plan was the creation by Clement Atlee’s Labour government in 1948 of the National Freight Corporation, which was originally known as British Road Services.

In the case of GOOL, three options are being examined: buying ships, leasing them or converting military vessels.

I am told the military option is thought to be the least viable.

“This was the bombshell in a meeting that contained lots of dull stuff” said another minister.

He added that perhaps it would be the “sobering moment” that showed colleagues why a no-deal Brexit would be “so damaging”.

https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/post ... 4667677933

[Moggy]

“work commissioned by Chris Grayling” - we are strawberry floated.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

I’m not surprised the military option is the least viable, we hardly have any bloody ships left. Let alone ones that could be converted for freight.

Not to worry anyway, the DM is running it’s weekly ‘Brexit breakthrough’ story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6308325/EU-set-offer-UK-wide-customs-deal-bid-solve-Brexit-talks.html