Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
5
5%
Remain
99
95%
 
Total votes: 104
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by more heat than light » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:35 pm

Gutless wankers.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:37 pm

Deal is: Govt agrees the Commons will be able to direct Brexit negotiations if no deal by November 30 this year. A veto ceded to MPs on how it proceeds from then onwards. That's a BIG climb down. (Tom Newton Dunn on Twitter )


Yeah but they'll get to November, say A50 can't be revoke "Our bad deal, or no deal...lolololol"

Chuff everyone involved in this mess.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Kicks the can further down the road then?

Looks like we are going to have be waiting longer for that dose of common sense lads.

But hey, we got more votes to go, I guess.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:51 pm

Squinty wrote:Kicks the can further down the road then?


Aye. It's a victory for the arch-Brexiteers. They don't care about an orderly Brexit - they'll be happy with no deal. It gets them closer to the end date where they can just let the whole thing unravel - which will still achive Brexit.

May/Corbyn are strawberry floating delusional to think they can reason or compromise with them. It's never been proven to work, and only empowers them further. Has there ever been a time where both parties had such terrible terrible leadership?

May's not going because she's a useful scapegoat they can control
Corbyn's untouchable with his cult like devotees literally unable to comprehend any criticism of him

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:57 pm

What the government has promised to Tory Brexit rebels - Snap summary and analysis
We don’t know that the Tory rebels may have been offered in private to persuade them not to vote for the Lords amendment on the “meaningful vote”. (See 4.18pm and 4.22pm.) But some of the negotiation was conducted in public, in the debate, by Robert Buckland, the solicitor general.

Buckland implied the government would accept section 5A of the Grieve amendment. He said there was “much merit” in it.
He said he would be willing to have a “structured discussion” with rebels on the whole of the Grieve amendment, with a view to accepting some or all of it in a new amendment in the Lords.
You can read the whole of the Grieve amendment here (pdf). It is on page five.

To summarise, the Grieve amendment says three things should happen if the Commons refused to back the withdrawal agreement in the autumn. Under the government amendmment, a minister would already have to come back to the Commons to make a statement about what happen next. The Grieve amendment says:

1) Within seven days of the statement MPs would have to vote on a motion approving the government’s approach. This is the 5A section.

2) If there is no agreement by 30 November, the government would have to give MPs the chance to vote on a motion saying what should happen next. This is 5B of the Grieve amendment.

3) If there is no agreement by 15 February 2019, the government have to bring the matter to the Commons within five days. But this vote would be different from the other two, because the government would then have to follow any “direction” given by the Commons in a vote in favour of a resolution. This is 5C in the Grieve amendment.

According to sources, the government has accepted it will implement 5A and 5B, and will talk about 5C.

The fact that it has not agreed to 5C is significant because this would be the binding vote. The 5A or 5B votes would not be binding. In theory (at least, from my reading of the amendment) the government could ignore them, just as it does ignore opposition day motions.

But the Tory rebels would doubtless argue that in practice such votes would be influential. If the Commons were to reject a Brexit deal, and then MPs were to vote against the government’s revised Brexit strategy, it would be hard to see how the prime minister could continue in office (although to remove her you might need a confidence vote - a different measure, that brings party loyalties into play.)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:12 pm

Yeah so about those concessions to the Tory Rebels before the vote today,


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by lex-man » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Why are our government so gooseberry fool.

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by Lagamorph » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:18 pm

lex-man wrote:Why are our government so gooseberry fool.

In all fairness there's literally no possible way that anybody could possibly have predicted this would happen.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:19 pm

Kicking it down the road yet again.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:31 pm

lex-man wrote:Why are our government so gooseberry fool.


Remoaners have undermined their confidence.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Knoyleo » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:46 pm



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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Meep » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:24 pm

This is so sad. I don't want to have explain to future generations how we let things slip so far when they end up living in one of the worst performing parts of Europe.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by KK » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:05 pm

The most critical of all the front pages tomorrow:


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:54 am

Sections of the UK car industry face extinction unless the UK stays in the EU customs union, the president of the CBI has said.

Paul Dreschler also said there was "zero evidence" that trade deals outside the EU would provide any economic benefit to Britain.

He blamed a "tidal wave of ideology" for the government's Brexit approach.

But the government said it was "focused on delivering a Brexit that works for the whole of the UK".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44462829

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by Errkal » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:55 am

Will of the people! Werf it 4 sovrintee!!!

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by KK » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:23 am

BBC News wrote:Wetherspoon to stop selling champagne ahead of Brexit

Pub chain JD Wetherspoon has said it will replace foreign gooseberry fool with sparking wines from the UK from next month.

The company's founder, Tim 'Nice, but...' Martin, who campaigned for Brexit, said it was part of a transition away from products made in the European Union.

Under the plan, British wheat beer and alcohol-free beer will replace the current beers brewed by Germany.

Mr Martin said the new drinks would be cheaper than the European Union products that they are replacing.

He said: "There will be an inevitable transfer of trade post-Brexit to countries outside the EU, which will reduce prices in shops and pubs.

"The products we are now introducing are at lower prices than the EU products they are replacing."

The move was part of a review all products over the next six to 24 months, he said, adding: "We intend to honour existing contracts with EU suppliers, some of which have several years to run.

"However, we are starting to make the transition to non-EU trade now."

'High prices'

Mr Martin called the EU customs union "a protectionist system which is widely misunderstood".

"It imposes tariffs on the 93% of the world that is not in the EU, keeping prices high for UK consumers.

"Tariffs are imposed on wine from Australia, New Zealand and the US, and also on coffee, oranges, rice and more than 12,000 other products," he said.

Wetherspoon, which says it has 2 million customers visiting each week, will replace champagne with sparkling wines from the UK, such as from the Denbies vineyard, and Hardys Sparkling Pinot Chardonnay from Australia.

Its new wheat beers brewed in the UK will include Blue Moon Belgian White, Thornbridge Versa Weisse Beer and SA Brains Atlantic White.

Alcohol-free Adnams Ghost Ship will replace Erdinger alcohol-free beer from Germany.

Wetherspoon will continue to serve Kopparberg cider from Sweden, as the company has said it will transfer production to the UK post-Brexit. "In similar situations we will work closely with suppliers of niche products," Mr Martin said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44465657

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