Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)

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PostCaptain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by chalkitdown » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:53 pm

This should have its own thread instead of shitting up the general Marvel news thread with spoilers and such.

Seeing this tomorrow, can't wait. :datass:

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Lagamorph » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:13 pm

Got to the cinema for the midnight showing a bit early because I expected it to be full and to have to queue for drink and popcorn and to get my 3D glasses.

There's no strawberry floater here but me and the staff :slol:

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by chalkitdown » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:59 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Got to the cinema for the midnight showing a bit early because I expected it to be full and to have to queue for drink and popcorn and to get my 3D glasses.

There's no strawberry floater here but me and the staff :slol:


It's no Star Wars.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:31 am

It was OK, a mini bus turned up. If I had come for the triple bill though I'd have been the only person here for the first two films.


Back on track, that was strawberry floating awesome!!!!!!

Who sent that text to Steve though? Show a little tact!

Oh, and Spidey signal!



I never thought I'd say this....but Aunt May is totally doing it for me. Complete AILF :shifty:

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by JediDragon05 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:58 am

Batman vs superman ain't got gooseberry fool on this, really liked it :toot:

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:02 am

JediDragon05 wrote:Batman vs superman ain't got gooseberry fool on this, really liked it :toot:

Damn straight!

The fight at the airport was just...just...Epic! Giant Man, Spider Man, Black Panther, so strawberry floating incredible!!
And then the fight between Tony, Steve and Bucky towards the end...oh man I was sat up, I was leaning forward in my seat and when Steve smashed his shield into Tony's Arc reactor I nearly jumped from my seat and screamed bullshit because #TeamIronMan, but God damn if it wasn't strawberry floating amazing!

OK....I think I need to calm down. I've been up for 22 hours straight. I should not be this hyperactive.



But it was strawberry floating awesome! Possibly the best MCU film yet!

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Joer » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:19 am

Easily the best MCU film yet. Absolutely incredible.

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by Corazon de Leon » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:52 am

For my money the Cap trilogy is the best superhero film trilogy. Couple of brief tired comments;

- Tom Holland's Spider-Man is the character I've been reading about since I was old enough to understand what the drawings meant. Someone mentioned that casting a teenager let them show exactly how wild eyed and astonished the character would be to find himself in amongst all these big guys beating each other up, and I think he was great. Can't wait for Homecoming now.

- Black Panther was immense. Like a strawberry floating terminator. Glad they got all his origin stuff out the way as well. Again, really looking forward to his film now. As a Blackfoot pilot for superhero movies, Civil War worked damn well.

- Ant-Man was used brilliantly. Giant-Man, strawberry float yes.

- Every character got a good amount of screen time and an interesting arc. Even Hawkeye, who must only be in the film for ten minutes maximum.

- Even with the ensemble behind it, the film was still Captain America's. I'd read that this was the case but I'm glad it held true.

Overall, loved it. Absolutely loved it.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Zartan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:57 am

The amazing thing is I am excited about a Spiderman film again, that has been a long, long time since that has happened.

That Airport scene was immense, so much fun.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by sawyerpip » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:55 pm

I agree with all the impressions in here, I thought it was brilliant. The stakes were more personal than the typical 'bad guy trying to take over or destroy the world' plot and that worked really well, it added a real edge to that final Captain America/Iron Man/Bucky fight. I'm also glad they didn't kill off Zemo, they really need to start keeping more of the villains around and fleshing their characters out.

I'm not very familiar with Black Panther at all, but I loved him and now I can't wait for his own film. There was some sort of triple flying kick move he did to Captain America in the airport scene that was completely badass.

And Spider-Man, what can I say. He has long been my favourite superhero, and one of my favourite fictional characters ever, and they pretty much nailed him in this. His "holy gooseberry fool" line was perfectly timed :lol: Although I'm not sure how long it will take me to get used to Aunt May being hot.

Falcon and Bucky's bro nod in the Beetle to Cap was the secret highlight of the film.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by HSH28 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:11 pm

It was good and a much better adaptation of its source material than Ultron was...

...but it still wasn't quite the film it could have been, I thought it pulled it's punches, and I'm not 100% on the conclusion either.

Don't want to be too down on it because it does have some great set pieces going on, I'd place it in the top 5 Marvel films, think Winter Soldier was a better film overall though.

Oh and despite those comments it does fit in well as the 3rd Cap movie.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Frank » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:27 pm

I wish the Lego sets hadn't ruined the Giant Man scene :fp:

So good, though. That last fight was intense!

Tony Stank :slol:

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:37 pm

In the comics, is Cap strong enough to pull back a helicopter? It seemed a bit beyond his usual strength in the films.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Banjo » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:01 pm

Just seems like standard comic book escalation. I watched the triple bill and in First Avenger it's treated like a big moment when he clears the jump between gantries in the Hydra production facility. Fast forward to Civil War and there are all kinds of mega jumps being done by various characters.

Really liked it, glad I went for the triple bill as I remember enjoying both prior Cap films but thinking of them as anything special (much like my general opinion to most comic book films). Honestly, I think I'd call First Avenger my favourite, I thought it was a strong, largely self-contained film with great casting and probably the most successful romantic interest of any of the MCU films. Atwell wasn't perfect but I thought she had a a stronger screen presence than pretty much all the other female characters seen across the films (I want more Maria Hill though) and had some genuine chemistry with Evans. Going straight from that to Winter Soldier really showed up Johansson in my mind, thought she was mostly wooden and had/has no chemistry with Evans or just about anyone.

So yeah, favourite part of Civil War was the reduced amount of Black Widow! Yay! :slol:

Thought this film managed the intertwining of numerous heroes far better than the Avengers films did, but I suppose it does have the benefit of coming after those films so it has more to work off of. The notion of split sides was executed well and I enjoyed how it highlighted the relationships between members. It's aided further by Zemo not being yer standard Big Bad and instead making the infighting a more central focus, which I greatly appreciated as it gave the actors more to do than simply trade one-liners while making cool poses. I've really found myself becoming a detractor of Whedon and along with Winter Soldier it's refreshing to see people actually having Cap be a genuine character rather than be a vehicle for old/out-of-touch gags.

Yup, despite the blockbuster nature of it I was thoroughly pleased at how much of a character piece it also was. Almost all the characters managed to be expressive and evocative rather than mere cameos, and I hope it goes from strength to strength in later films. So glad I went for the tripler, the Cap films are exceptional (especially the first!).

Fantastic debuts for Black Panther and Spider-Man as well. Actually made me want to see a Spidey film but gutted that it's pushed Black Panther back to make room for it, he was a real highlight (especially pleased he got to be featured in the finale).

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by HSH28 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:19 pm

Been thinking about it and I kind of wish this wasn't Civil War.

I mean obviously they couldn't do Civil War to the extent it was done in the comics, for starters they don't have all the characters. I guess they did ok with what they had, but the film basically misses on some of the biggest plot points of the comic version of Civil War. There's no unmaskings (can't remember any talk of registration for all powered individuals) and I'm sorry but Rhodey getting partially paralyzed does not have any where near the impact of the character deaths in the comic version.

If you can't unmask Spiderman and kill off major characters in the film, then perhaps you shouldn't do Civil War at all.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:46 pm

Trust Hugo to be a downer

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Banjo » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:03 pm

He has a point though. Was talking earlier that I'd like to see major character deaths in Infinity Gauntlet.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:56 pm

Me and Anung talked about this on the way home last night; I don't think any character deaths would have enhanced this at all. I originally hoped that Cap would die but it would've been needless.

This wasn't about violence and fighting, it was about the ideological divisions between Stark and Rogers, and a logical conclusion to the issues that Cap has had with modern authority since Avengers Assemble and Winter Soldier. The film accomplished those goals very well and was a fitting conclusion to the storylines started in previous films. IMO obviously.

I think in the MCU, killing off a character should be used to properly build up a villain; Zemo didn't need that, he wasn't powerful enough to take an Avenger on headfirst and he knew it, hence the goal of destabilisation. With that in mind, I think that Thanos will be the guy to take some of them out, and he'll do it properly.

The thing about unmasking is a moot point; none of the Avengers wear masks, their identities are public. Spider Man hasn't been active long enough for this to make an impact, and Ant-Man is in the same boat.

I actually thought the film was a better and more mature take on the idea of a schism developing between superheroes than the comic event, with a more logical start and end point and less clutter.

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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Rog » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:58 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:Couple of brief tired comments;

- Tom Holland's Spider-Man is the character I've been reading about since I was old enough to understand what the drawings meant. Someone mentioned that casting a teenager let them show exactly how wild eyed and astonished the character would be to find himself in amongst all these big guys beating each other up, and I think he was great. Can't wait for Homecoming now.

- Black Panther was immense. Like a strawberry floating terminator. Glad they got all his origin stuff out the way as well. Again, really looking forward to his film now. As a Blackfoot pilot for superhero movies, Civil War worked damn well.

- Ant-Man was used brilliantly. Giant-Man, strawberry float yes.

- Every character got a good amount of screen time and an interesting arc. Even Hawkeye, who must only be in the film for ten minutes maximum.

- Even with the ensemble behind it, the film was still Captain America's. I'd read that this was the case but I'm glad it held true.

Overall, loved it. Absolutely loved it.


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PostRe: Captain America Civil War (Spoiler thread)
by Captain Kinopio » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:05 pm

Just seen it, thought it was good but not everything I hoped. I don't really know much about the comics but I thought it was a shame they bottled the decision not to kill anyone off.

The fight at the airport was good but a bit meaningless because it never felt like anyone was going to be knocked off and with nothing else at stake it was just explosions and gooseberry fool. Thought the end fight with Cap, Bucky and Stark was much better, but a bit of a shame the trailer kind of ruined it as I was just counting down the minutes to it.

Overall the story felt very loosely strung together and though I can't think of any gaping plot holes but it wasn't compelling enough to hold much interest for the extended talky talky bits. it definitely felt a long film, I was reaching for my watch before the airport fight.

They did a remarkable job of giving everyone plenty of screen time, nobody seemed like they were getting short changed at all and for that to be the case I would have thought you'd have to make it 3hours +. Black Panther was good, though all his gadget and gizmos did make me start to question his origins, but I wasn't paying enough attention to the story of Wakanda or whatever to really take issue with it. Spidey was a real highlight, added some much needed panache to the airport sequence, I don't think you needed the Stark/Parker scene at all though, would have been much better had that been left untold and his intro was just WHAM Spider-Man! Even better if it had been kept out of trailers for a super surprise.

Overall I thought it was good but maybe I'm starting to get superhero fatigue because I can't muster a whole lot of enthusiasm for it, despite being very excited for it before going in. I'd probably put it about on par with Ultron and not hitting the heights of Guardians, Assemble or Winter Soldier.

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