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by skarmachild » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:59 pm

avclub got the review of this up a few days ago somehow

skimmed it, doesnt spoil anything i dont think.

anyway just started watching this last week - was very hooked on the first episode.

second episode is a bit silly and OTT

third episode was good, if its the one im thinking of - where you can replay your memories back. thought it was weird cause the guy seemed to be perfectly happy, not really jealous or whatever - then once he found out that she slept with his mate when complete nuts and mindraped her (is that the term?)

the 2nd season was good, white bear probably being the best of them, followed by the waldo thing - if only to see the shitty CBBC animation for the bear, my days. the other one was okay, but its a silly premise - of course you'd regret bringing a fake person back to life idk man. keeping him in the attic in the end was pretty sad and brutal, especially seeing the kid go up there to feed him ): - kinda wonder though why she just didnt push him off the edge of the cliff - i mean, i kinda get it, but surely after 5/6 years you'd do something about it instead of keeping him in your attic forever? also if this service was available to lots of people, surely thered be hundreds/thousands of mindless shells walking about and not just her boyfriend?

oh well, excited for the chrimbus special!

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Fatal Exception » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:12 pm

So many feels on this blocked one :dread:

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Memento Mori » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:18 pm

Forgot this was today, I watched that James Nesbitt show where he shouts at people. :(

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Lotus » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:58 am

Thought this was pretty good - some interesting ideas as always.

The woman who played Bethany :wub:

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Parksey » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:06 pm

Are the past episodes on 4OD? I keep meaning to catch up with this. They are all standalone as well, right? Albeit sharing similar themes.

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Phatman » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:12 pm

[iup=3637814]Parksey[/iup] wrote:Are the past episodes on 4OD? I keep meaning to catch up with this. They are all standalone as well, right? Albeit sharing similar themes.


Yes and yes. Well worth a watch.

Thought White Christmas was superb. Hamm and Spall were both very impressive and well cast. Thematically and emotionally, Brooker nails it. Certainly one of the best Black Mirror episodes, if not the best, although they are all strong.

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Skarjo » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:25 pm

I thought that was ace. The only issue I had was that the middle segment seemed really weak because there wasn't any reason given why 'it' was better than, for instance, Siri. I mean, I'm pretty sure there are simpler ways to get your toast right. I mean, I get that it was basically just exposition for the finale, but with even just a bit more fleshing out as to why this technology was actually a thing that people would pay more for and it could have stood on own far better

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | Tonight
by Memento Mori » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:47 am

That was incredibly dark but quite brilliant. I guessed that Natalie Tena's character was suicidal and Jon Hamm was interrogating Rafe Spall in virtual reality but surprise Asian baby caught me off-guard. :lol: Doesn't really make much sense though that in exchange for helping the police Hamm gets a fate worse than prison.

In terms of previous episodes:

White Christmas> 15 Million Merits> Be Right Back> The Entire History of You> White Bear> The National Anthem> The Waldo Moment


[iup=3638221]Throne of Lies[/iup] wrote:I thought that was ace. The only issue I had was that the middle segment seemed really weak because there wasn't any reason given why 'it' was better than, for instance, Siri. I mean, I'm pretty sure there are simpler ways to get your toast right. I mean, I get that it was basically just exposition for the finale, but with even just a bit more fleshing out as to why this technology was actually a thing that people would pay more for and it could have stood on own far better


I was expecting AI Oona to go mental and use the house to murder real Oona. That would have been a better ending for that segment than no ending.

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by BID0 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:31 pm

Question, no spoilers

Having not seen any of these before can I just watch the latest one? The stories are separate from each other right? I see them advertised every year but have never got around to watching them.

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by Memento Mori » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:33 pm

[iup=3638596]BID0[/iup] wrote:Question, no spoilers

Having not seen any of these before can I just watch the latest one? The stories are separate from each other right? I see them advertised every year but have never got around to watching them.

They seem to be set in the same universe but the references to other episodes in this ep are so small it's effectively standalone.

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by BID0 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:35 pm

Thanks! I'll try the latest then and go back a re-watch the other if I can get in to it. I love Brooker and Hamm so :wub:

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by Monkey Man » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:36 pm

[iup=3638596]BID0[/iup] wrote:Question, no spoilers

Having not seen any of these before can I just watch the latest one? The stories are separate from each other right? I see them advertised every year but have never got around to watching them.

The stories are all separate so you can watch the latest one. All of them are on 4OD so you can watch them there - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/blac ... /series-1/

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by Skarjo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:53 pm

I thought it was a cool nod that the karaoke song sang by Hamm's girlfriend was the same song from The X Factor in 15 Million Merits.

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by Slayerx » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:46 pm

Just finished watching it and I think it's my fave of them all 8-)

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by satriales » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:49 pm

I also thought it was great and possibly my favourite of them all so far. :mrgreen:

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by Lucien » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:23 am

Meh, the Christmas episode was alright, but too much of it was too silly.

Why does a woman want a slave version of herself to make toast?

The police gave a copy of the murderer hundreds of thousands of years of punishment just because?

If the two guys were in that hut for years or whatever it was, why didn't the guy ask why he was there? Also, he didn't need sleep or drink so IDGI.

Who'd trust a guy whose job is enslaving beings?

"I'm pregnant, but btw I'm leaving because that's not going to bother you one bit and somehow the authorities are fine with it."


Just too daft. It was enjoyable at times.

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | OnDeman
by Benzin » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:56 am

Having never watched Black Mirror before I didn't really know what to expect...

After the Christmas one, it was ALL the feels, so damn depressing... Imagine what it would've been like if they showed it on Christmas :dread:

Then watched the first two episodes on 4OD, sommat to do over Christmas really...

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | OnDeman
by Moggy » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:06 am

[iup=3639123]Lucien[/iup] wrote:Meh, the Christmas episode was alright, but too much of it was too silly.

Why does a woman want a slave version of herself to make toast? Because her copy made damn good toast

The police gave a copy of the murderer hundreds of thousands of years of punishment just because? One policeman did and the policewoman let him do it, it wasn't suggested that that was the actual law. I would imagine in that world that the copies are just considered AI and who gives a gooseberry fool about AI? It was mentioned that copies that lose the plot are put into games, nobody cares about them or thinks that they are "real".

If the two guys were in that hut for years or whatever it was, why didn't the guy ask why he was there? Also, he didn't need sleep or drink so IDGI. He thought he was there for a "job", I would imagine that the simulation was manipulated to make him think he was there working, it was only when he was being questioned he started to think about things.

Who'd trust a guy whose job is enslaving beings? The people in that world don't think of them as beings, they seem them as AI. They are wrong to think so, but they do not know how the copies feel and how often do we think about the people we kill in a video game?

"I'm pregnant, but btw I'm leaving because that's not going to bother you one bit and somehow the authorities are fine with it." If a woman leaves her partner, do the authorities give a gooseberry fool? She was heartless but there is no reason the authorities wouldn't react like that and she could easily prove that the kid wasn't his.

Just too daft. It was enjoyable at times.


I really enjoyed it, it was far fetched, but I think Black Mirror is supposed to be a little far fetched, but close enough to reality to make us think.

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | OnDeman
by Lucien » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:28 pm

[iup=3640874]Moggy[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3639123]Lucien[/iup] wrote:Who'd trust a guy whose job is enslaving beings?


The people in that world don't think of them as beings, they seem them as AI. They are wrong to think so, but they do not know how the copies feel and how often do we think about the people we kill in a video game?


From the AI guy's perspective though it was torture. He then spills his story to this evil fiend.

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PostRe: Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror | X-Mas Special | OnDeman
by Moggy » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:52 pm

[iup=3641027]Lucien[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3640874]Moggy[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3639123]Lucien[/iup] wrote:Who'd trust a guy whose job is enslaving beings?


The people in that world don't think of them as beings, they seem them as AI. They are wrong to think so, but they do not know how the copies feel and how often do we think about the people we kill in a video game?


From the AI guy's perspective though it was torture. He then spills his story to this evil fiend.


I agree with you 100%, but at the same time people wouldn't give a gooseberry fool about AI. We were looking at the story from the point of view of the AI and so it seems horrific. But people living in that world wouldn't consider them people, they would see them as code.


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