Ched Evans - should he play football again?

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by PES Fan » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:22 pm

"He wouldn’t be the first person or persons to be found guilty and maintain their innocence and then been proven right," Taylor told BBC Radio 5 Live.


"If we’re talking about things in football we know what happened, what was alleged to have happened at Hillsborough and it’s now unravelling and we’re finding it was very different to how it was portrayed at the time, indeed by the police at the time."

"I've spoken to Ched and we're aware of how he feels.... Obviously it's not a good time for him.


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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by mrspax » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:46 pm

[iup=3650601]PES Fan[/iup] wrote:
"He wouldn’t be the first person or persons to be found guilty and maintain their innocence and then been proven right," Taylor told BBC Radio 5 Live.


"If we’re talking about things in football we know what happened, what was alleged to have happened at Hillsborough and it’s now unravelling and we’re finding it was very different to how it was portrayed at the time, indeed by the police at the time."

"I've spoken to Ched and we're aware of how he feels.... Obviously it's not a good time for him.


:fp:


Was listening to it in the car on the way home. Remember thinking, that this is the man who represents the trade union of all professional footballers.... And he makes ludicrous unrelated connections like that!

He was on earlier in the week when the Oldham rumour surfaced and actually came across quite well. He wasn't passing any judgement on Evans at that point though.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Dangerblade » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:47 pm

His "apology" is nothing but a reaction to the fact that 2 clubs have pulled out of signing him. If he truly meant it he would have released this statement when he came out of prison.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by mrspax » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:49 pm

[iup=3650615]Dangerblade[/iup] wrote:His "apology" is nothing but a reaction to the fact that 2 clubs have pulled out of signing him. If he truly meant it he would have released this statement when he came out of prison.


Taylor said the reason he did it today was because he was not able to speak at all for legal reasons. Timing seems rather odd though.

Another issue with Mr Taylor's interview today!

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by mrspax » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:35 pm

Steve Bruce giving his expert legal opinion now too!

Why on earth did he feel the need to comment?

Silly.

Edit: cos he's mates with the oldham chairman apparently.

Still silly.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by TigaSefi » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:58 pm

Steve Bruce wading in.... :fp:

Does he holds a degree in law?

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Poser » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:13 pm

[iup=3650977]mrspax[/iup] wrote:Steve Bruce giving his expert legal opinion now too!

Why on earth did he feel the need to comment?

Silly.

Edit: cos he's mates with the oldham chairman apparently.

Still silly.


It's bonkers. It's his pre-game press conference, why on earth has he not just stonewalled the question?

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by Nathanbrains » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:12 pm

Out of interest, did the woman claim she didn't remember whether she agreed to Evans being invited over or does she claim she was never asked? And what do both players say in reference to this?

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Preezy » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:13 pm

[iup=3651001]Poser[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3650977]mrspax[/iup] wrote:Steve Bruce giving his expert legal opinion now too!

Why on earth did he feel the need to comment?

Silly.

Edit: cos he's mates with the oldham chairman apparently.

Still silly.


It's bonkers. It's his pre-game press conference, why on earth has he not just stonewalled the question?

Because he's an idiot.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Tomous » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:35 pm

[iup=3651038]Nathanbrains[/iup] wrote:Out of interest, did the woman claim she didn't remember whether she agreed to Evans being invited over or does she claim she was never asked? And what do both players say in reference to this?


She said didn't remember anything after the kebab shop so she wouldn't remember that if it had happened. I don't think the defence argued that she was asked about inviting him over though.

Also, I noticed that their testimonies on who asked her if he could join in when he arrived differed-they both said the other person asked.

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by easesprings » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:50 pm

[iup=3650991]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:Steve Bruce wading in.... :fp:

Does he holds a degree in law?



He probably doesn't but having said that I doubt that the millions of people who seem to be deciding Evans future career options on social media do either.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by mrspax » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:13 pm

[iup=3651093]easesprings[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3650991]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:Steve Bruce wading in.... :fp:

Does he holds a degree in law?



He probably doesn't but having said that I doubt that the millions of people who seem to be deciding Evans future career options on social media do either.


Agreed. You could add everyone on this forum who is giving their 2p in this thread to that list too.

Except none of us or the twitterati have the ear of fleet street at a major press conference that has now been reported widely (and with much exasperation as to what the hell he was thinking of by getting involved).

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Dig Dug » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:20 pm

I'd imagine Bruce felt like he had to get involved partly due to him being a former Wales international striker like Ched was.

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by Spindash » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:32 pm

[iup=3651109]Dig Dug[/iup] wrote:I'd imagine Bruce felt like he had to get involved partly due to him being a former Wales international striker like Ched was.


Confusing him with Mark Hughes?

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Dig Dug » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:45 pm

[iup=3651196]Spindash[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3651109]Dig Dug[/iup] wrote:I'd imagine Bruce felt like he had to get involved partly due to him being a former Wales international striker like Ched was.


Confusing him with Mark Hughes?

My bad. In that case I don't know why he opened his mouth.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by mrspax » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:15 pm

He is good friends with the chairman at oldham. According to footy365 anyway.

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by Dowbocop » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:15 am

I'm not wading through all these pages, but has anyone mentioned the case of Leslie Grantham?

In 1967 he shot and killed a taxi driver in Germany. He served ten years of a life sentence before his release. In prison he got into acting, and after release he ended up becoming one of the most famous soap stars ever.

There are a lot of similarities between the two cases in my opinion. Both committed horrible crimes and served part of their sentence. Being in a major soap is a comparable job to being a footballer in terms of public exposure and role model status. However, Grantham was allowed to become a household name, but Evans should never work in football again...

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by easesprings » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:38 am

[iup=3651440]Dowbocop[/iup] wrote:I'm not wading through all these pages, but has anyone mentioned the case of Leslie Grantham?

In 1967 he shot and killed a taxi driver in Germany. He served ten years of a life sentence before his release. In prison he got into acting, and after release he ended up becoming one of the most famous soap stars ever.

There are a lot of similarities between the two cases in my opinion. Both committed horrible crimes and served part of their sentence. Being in a major soap is a comparable job to being a footballer in terms of public exposure and role model status. However, Grantham was allowed to become a household name, but Evans should never work in football again...



The main difference between the cases is that social media didn't exist then.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by Imrahil » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:43 am

To be honest, there are endless examples of hypocrisy about this whole attitude to Evans. I've never seen so many arbitrary arguments towards why he should be different to other cases.

I find the whole thing quite sad really.

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PostRe: Ched Evans, rapist - should he play football again?
by easesprings » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:54 am

[iup=3651449]Coreopsis[/iup] wrote:To be honest, there are endless examples of hypocrisy about this whole attitude to Evans. I've never seen so many arbitrary arguments towards why he should be different to other cases.

I find the whole thing quite sad really.


agreed. The whole lack of cohesive logic used in the debate is frustrating. For all of the advantages Democracy offers it comes with the understanding that individuals/citizens/subjects relinquish the right to punish to the State. It is not the convicted persons fault if society deems the punishment to be to lenient or insufficient. This whole sorry episode has spiralled into mob rule and trial by social media based on hearsay and partial facts. It has set a worrying precedent IMO.


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