Children and Religion

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Phatman** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:40 pm

Red Devil wrote:
Phatman wrote:
Red Devil wrote:On basic terms, scientific theory is quite similar to the theory about god:

We think it happened but we can't be positively sure.

Well no. We have evidence to support scientific theory such as evolution. We have no evidence to support the existence of God. Not that I'm saying God doesn't exist, I'm just saying that we have no evidence.

Isn't the Bible evidence of god? Jesus doing all the gooseberry fool he did?

That's like me saying that the Lord of the Rings Trilogy is evidence of Gandalf.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **That** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:48 pm

Falsey wrote:You know how much of what is now known as scientific fact was once rubbished due to lack of evidence?

Rightly rubbished due to lack of evidence. We can't go around accepting every uninvestigated theory on the basis that it might possibly be true.

When evidence is collated, well then, that turns it into a whole different kettle of fish, doesn't it?

PostRe: Children and Religion by **SEP** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:04 am

Karlprof wrote:
Falsey wrote:You know how much of what is now known as scientific fact was once rubbished due to lack of evidence?

Rightly rubbished due to lack of evidence. We can't go around accepting every uninvestigated theory on the basis that it might possibly be true.

When evidence is collated, well then, that turns it into a whole different kettle of fish, doesn't it?

This is how science works. Everything is constantly being reviewed in light of new evidence. Science never claims to have absolute answers, just a load of evidence that points in a particular direction. Any evidence that points in the opposite direction is looked at, reviewed amongst peers, then the currently accepted direction is reviewed and adjusted accordingly.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Moggy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:02 am

Magic water! :lol:

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Shadow** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:14 am

If you speak to Christians they'll actually tell you that there is lots and lots of anecdotal evidence in support of God, people praying and then having cancer disappear and whatnot, their argument, of course, is that if God did obvious miracles, then there would be no need for people to have faith. And faith is a pretty big deal in Christianity.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **TheTurnipKing** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:55 am

Lucien wrote:Not sure about you all, but when I was little I was told to be good for God and our class every Friday had stories from the Bible read to us. We visited churches at Easter etc and sang the songs.

I'm wondering if you all think that children growing up should be taught a certain thing, Christianity or anything else when the parents have differing beliefs themselves. I'm not sure so was hoping to find the answer through arguement!

Should children be brought up blank slates that way? Is having religion good for them or bad? And if a parent believes something out of the ordinary, should the child be taught that way as well?

I've been out of school a while, so this could all have been changed since then and probably has but thoughts would be good.

If kids weren't subjected to religion at a young age, I suspect it'd be wiped out within a generation or two, tops.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Wykesie** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:06 am

hate them both!

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Atreyu** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:21 am

Shadow wrote:lots and lots of anecdotal evidence in support of God, people praying and then having cancer disappear and whatnot

post hoc ergo propter hoc

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Preezy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:23 am

Atreyu wrote:
Shadow wrote:lots and lots of anecdotal evidence in support of God, people praying and then having cancer disappear and whatnot

post hoc ergo propter hoc

PostRe: Children and Religion by **False** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:40 am

I must admit, I was playing devils advocate a bit last night. Cant have all you people hating on religion unresisted.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **$ilva $hadow** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:04 am

Falsey wrote:
Balloon Sod wrote:
Falsey wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:
Falsey wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:
MCN wrote:The way I see it,if I were to force my children down the atheism route, then I would be as bad as those who force their children into religion. For me, it is all about the freedom of choice.

I disagree. If my kid asks me do unicorns exist I'm going to say no, same with god. You're not forcing kids to be atheist, just stating the facts.

But its not a fact, There is nothing, anywhere, that proves this.

Is there any proof unicorns exist? As there isn't I think it's safe to assume they don't.

So you can say to the child 'I dont think Unicorns exist' and 'I dont think god exists'

If there's no evidence, there's no reason to entertain the idea.

There's as much evidence for both as there is an 8th day of the week, a 25th hour in the day and a 13th month in the year. Let's stop beating around the bush.

This kind of wishy-washy nonsense is thanks to the promotion of a bastardisation of 'respect'. As if all ideas are equally worthy.

Kid: "Was Newton a grasshopper that dressed like a Soho Dandy?"

Dad: "I don't think so"

Kid: "Did Einstein go to special school?"

Dad: "I don't think so"

That is an utterly ridiculous comment. You know how much of what is now known as scientific fact was once rubbished due to lack of evidence?

Hope and optimism are powerful things, yo.

I thought all of scientific fact was based on reason derived from evidence or some observations at least.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Mockmaster** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:06 am

Any fellow Cryptozoologists such as myself know full well that unicorns do actually exist.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **False** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:06 am

I refer the right honourable $ilva to the above post.

I could argue for the bible some more, but I just cba lol

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Preezy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:08 am

Much like with ghosts and fairies (which do totally exist btw :shifty:

), the onus is on the believer to prove the existence of these things, not for the sceptic to disprove it.

Same with God - the people who believe in God are the ones who need to prove that he/she/they/it/swamp monster exists.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **False** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:09 am

Theres a comic strip that explains this pretty well, Ill try and find it.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **False** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:11 am

Tada

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Peter Crisp** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:12 am

If I ever have kids I'd like to think I would not stop them from turning to any religion that spoke to them personally. I'm atheist but I don't feel religion is bad in itself just that it's not for me and I would feel it's completely wrong to push my kids in any particular direction.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Pan** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:34 am

Catholic schools trump all other schools on plenty of other matters (discipline, results, general ethos), if one was tempted to argue from a purely pragmatic point of view.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **TheTurnipKing** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:18 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:If I ever have kids I'd like to think I would not stop them from turning to any religion that spoke to them personally. I'm atheist but I don't feel religion is bad in itself just that it's not for me and I would feel it's completely wrong to push my kids in any particular direction.

That's the point. Religion largely doesn't speak to someone unless it's drummed into their formative years... with the exception of religion which is from far away. In defiance of alll known laws of Physics, relgion is one of very few things which looks bigger the further away it is.

As a kid, religion doesn't really matter to you, because you and everyone you've ever met are immortal. It only really starts to gain significance as you draw ever closer to the big dirt nap.

I'm 95% convinced that religion is largely a fallacy of human ego.

PostRe: Children and Religion by **Dandy Kong** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:32 pm

So, Falsey, in this thread you complained a couple of times about being offended if people refer to the rituals of the church as "magic" or "spells", yet in the "FAO $ilva $hadow" thread I made in the "The Website" forum you replied:

Falsey wrote:Dont talk gooseberry fool.

You wont stop me saying ******.

I guess that if I would bring up children, one of the most important things, I'd teach them was "do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you". That would be a hell of a lot more important to me than whether or not they actually believe in some "higher being".

Pan wrote:Catholic schools trump all other schools on plenty of other matters (discipline, results, general ethos), if one was tempted to argue from a purely pragmatic point of view.

Is there any statistical evidence to back that statement up?

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