Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode

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PostChinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Alvin Flummux » Thu May 30, 2013 6:00 pm

Chinese Hackers Stole Plans For Dozens Of Critical US Weapons Systems

Hackers have accessed designs for more than two dozen major U.S. weapons systems, according to a devastating classified report a Pentagon advisor shared with the Washington Post.

Although the report from the Defense Science Board did not identify the hackers, senior military and industry officials with knowledge of the breaches say they come primarily from China, according to Ellen Nakashima of the Post.

"This is billions of dollars of combat advantage for China. They've just saved themselves 25 years of research and development. It's nuts," a senior official told the Post.

A public version of the report released in January warned of an "existential cyber attack" with "potentially spectacular" effects.

A partial list of compromised designs include the F-35 fifth generation fighter jet, the V-22 Osprey, THAAD missile defense, Patriot missile defense, AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, the Global Hawk high altitude surveillance drone. Hackers also accessed Personally Identifiable Information, including vast quantities of military email addresses, SSN, credit card numbers, and passwords.

“That’s staggering,” Mark Stokes, executive director of the Project 2049 Institute, a think tank that focuses on Asia security issues, told the Washington Post. “These are all very critical weapons systems, critical to our national security. When I hear this in totality, it’s breathtaking.”

Even with the plans, it's not clear how well China can reproduce U.S. weapons technology. China's defense industry is plagued by corruption and projects that run over cost, require frequent modification, and often rely on second-hand Russian technology. But they're trying: a big part of the big haul was schematics for small parts needed to set up manufacturing for these weapons systems.

What this means for the U.S. is a potentially critical vulnerability to hackers down to the level of individual weapons. As the Defense Science Board warned in January:

The benefits to an attacker using cyber exploits are potentially spectacular. Should the United States find itself in a full-scale conflict with a peer adversary, attacks would be expected to include denial of service, data corruption, supply chain corruption, traitorous insiders, kinetic and related non-kinetic attacks at all altitudes from underwater to space. U.S. guns, missiles, and bombs may not fire, or may be directed against our own troops. Resupply, including food, water, ammunition, and fuel may not arrive when or where needed. Military Commanders may rapidly lose trust in the information and ability to control U.S. systems and forces. Once lost, that trust is very difficult to regain.

Chinese hackers could theoretically infiltrate the cryptographic intranet communications systems of an F-35 and render it essentially inoperable.

That's why the report advises the Pentagon to invest heavily in cyber security.

China apparently uses several different means to gain access to these defense systems, most of them utilizing what Information Security experts call "human engineering" — when manipulative emails or clever online con-men actually get victims to divulge information on their own.

From Quartz:

[One more convincing tactic is executed] by creating innocuous-looking companies and research institutes that reach out to US companies, researchers and universities under the guise of civilian cooperation, only to steal their technology and experts for use by the PLA.


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Well gooseberry fool. :dread:

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Albert » Thu May 30, 2013 6:22 pm

Why would you keep something so critical on a network that can be accessed by external sources/hackers?

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Preezy » Thu May 30, 2013 6:23 pm

Blatantly misdirection by the yanks, they've probably let China steal their nuclear-zeppelin plans :lol:

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Alvin Flummux » Thu May 30, 2013 6:23 pm

Albear wrote:Why would you keep something so critical on a network that can be accessed by hackers?


Maybe they thought that it was secure?

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Saint of Killers » Thu May 30, 2013 6:30 pm

Preezy wrote:Blatantly misdirection by the yanks, they've probably let China steal their nuclear-zeppelin plans :lol:


:lol:

Seriously, this happens with such regularity (China hacking whoever the strawberry float they like) that it wouldn't surprise me if America did dupe them into stealing something silly/subtly borked.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 6:57 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Albear wrote:Why would you keep something so critical on a network that can be accessed by hackers?


Maybe they thought that it was secure?

Amazingly, data does not have to be connected to the Internet but can still exist on a network.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Alvin Flummux » Thu May 30, 2013 8:21 pm

And then China had to spend 10 years and a hundred billion dollars attempting to make the F-35 less of a piece of gooseberry fool; meanwhile the US decides to rely on the F-22 instead.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by SEP » Thu May 30, 2013 8:41 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Albear wrote:Why would you keep something so critical on a network that can be accessed by hackers?


Maybe they thought that it was secure?


There is no such thing as a secure network that is connected to the internet. This is ridiculously stupid of the US. If you want data to be secure, keep it well away from the internet. Preferably keep it on one computer that is not connected to any network, and is locked in 6 vaults surrounded by heavily armed cyborgs.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Peter Crisp » Thu May 30, 2013 9:21 pm

Did anyone in the US military watch WarGames :fp: .

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 9:24 pm

Or even Hackers.

Meanwhile in China


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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by TheTurnipKing » Thu May 30, 2013 9:27 pm

Human engineering.

Tsk, this is barely a hack at all

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 9:29 pm

Not much cool-aid no but technically and legally speaking, pretty strawberry floating big hack.

Maybe espionage is a better word.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by andretmzt » Thu May 30, 2013 9:29 pm

People wondering how this was allowed to happen have to remember that idiots are in charge of this sort of stuff.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by TheTurnipKing » Thu May 30, 2013 10:03 pm

I know. You'd have thought theyd increase security after an autist in search of UFOs yomped through their servers, but apparently not.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 10:11 pm

Of course, the US believe they invented the Internet (if not that the Internet is in their computers), so it is infallible.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Fatal Exception » Thu May 30, 2013 10:16 pm

Let's see them try and extradite the Chinese hackers :lol:

They tried and failed with Gary McKinnon. Blocking his extradition was the best thing Theresa May has ever done, although I think a deal was struck to send a few muzzers over in his place, so I guess it wasn't all fair.

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by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 10:18 pm

On a slightly related note, what happened to the tv-links guy?

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Fatal Exception » Thu May 30, 2013 10:20 pm

Green Gecko wrote:On a slightly related note, what happened to the tv-links guy?

Whilst arrested under Section 92 of the Trade Marks Act 1994,[5] he has now been released "pending further investigation" with no charges filed against him.[5] Section 92 has been used to prosecute illegal copiers of CDs and DVDs, but never in the absence of a physical storage medium. It is unclear whether the operation of TV Links was actually a crime under UK law.[11] In an interview, Rock stated that he would have not started the website if he had found anything in the laws of the country stating that what he was doing was illegal


Trolling law like a bawse.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Green Gecko » Thu May 30, 2013 10:30 pm

The guy's pretty much an unsung legend in the early days of pirated TV streams round my parts (everyone was using it), I bet if anyone knew somebody has to actually make a website millions of students etc would grumble angrily about it and then sit down and continue doing strawberry float all.

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PostRe: Chinese Hackers Hit the Motherlode
by Rightey » Thu May 30, 2013 11:34 pm

I don't see why they need all this military crap when their economy is so powerful it's not like the US could ever afford to go to war with them, they'd run out of everything within a month!

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