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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:23 pm

If we mined the moon into oblivion, if it was actually gone (which it will be in around 1.1bn years anyway), the Earth would tilt about wildly until settling into a tidally locked position; rotation would become so slow as to keep one side of the planet continually facing the sun. The oceans would start shifting until they all settle around the poles, and the weather would become extreme on both sides; a huge hurricane constantly churning up the middle of the sunward side, ice storms tracking across the other side. Complex life would be unable to continue, except perhaps along the only habitable regions around the now fixed terminator line, if the weather doesn't batter it out of existence first.

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PostRe: Space
by 1cmanny1 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:25 pm

http://english.cntv.cn/live/hd/

It gets tired apparently, and needs a rest.

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PostRe: Space
by 1cmanny1 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:41 pm

10 minutes. Hopefully it doesn't flip over.

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PostRe: Space
by 1cmanny1 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:16 pm

They landed! Was a very interesting watch, exactly like KSP!

They had a live feed as it landed, very cool.

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PostRe: Space
by Scotticus Erroticus » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Oh my God, that is awesome. We're back Moon people :D

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PostRe: Space
by Victor Mildew » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:29 pm

:shock:

Why am I only just hearing about this?! If merka was involved I bet it would be all over the news :roll:

Mmmmmmm HD moon footage. They should visit the Apollo 11 site to shut up the conspiracy knobs.

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by NickSCFC » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:44 pm

Advent7 wrote::shock:

Why am I only just hearing about this?! If merka was involved I bet it would be all over the news :roll:


#mandella

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PostRe: Space
by Xeno » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:08 pm

It's been mentioned on a number of sites for well over a month now, just seems to have passed you by.

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I dont know why, but that sounds strawberry floating incredible.

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PostRe: Space
by SEP » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:22 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:If we mined the moon into oblivion, if it was actually gone (which it will be in around 1.1bn years anyway), the Earth would tilt about wildly until settling into a tidally locked position; rotation would become so slow as to keep one side of the planet continually facing the sun. The oceans would start shifting until they all settle around the poles, and the weather would become extreme on both sides; a huge hurricane constantly churning up the middle of the sunward side, ice storms tracking across the other side. Complex life would be unable to continue, except perhaps along the only habitable regions around the now fixed terminator line, if the weather doesn't batter it out of existence first.


Also, Earth would have a lot more mass, due to all the moon rock we've brought down.

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by Skarjo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:37 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:If we mined the moon into oblivion, if it was actually gone (which it will be in around 1.1bn years anyway), the Earth would tilt about wildly until settling into a tidally locked position; rotation would become so slow as to keep one side of the planet continually facing the sun. The oceans would start shifting until they all settle around the poles, and the weather would become extreme on both sides; a huge hurricane constantly churning up the middle of the sunward side, ice storms tracking across the other side. Complex life would be unable to continue, except perhaps along the only habitable regions around the now fixed terminator line, if the weather doesn't batter it out of existence first.


Holy strawberry float I hope they call it a Terminator Line.

It would be worth losing everything to have that be a thing.

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PostRe: Space
by Moggy » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:51 pm

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Alvin Flummux wrote:If we mined the moon into oblivion, if it was actually gone (which it will be in around 1.1bn years anyway), the Earth would tilt about wildly until settling into a tidally locked position; rotation would become so slow as to keep one side of the planet continually facing the sun. The oceans would start shifting until they all settle around the poles, and the weather would become extreme on both sides; a huge hurricane constantly churning up the middle of the sunward side, ice storms tracking across the other side. Complex life would be unable to continue, except perhaps along the only habitable regions around the now fixed terminator line, if the weather doesn't batter it out of existence first.


Also, Earth would have a lot more mass, due to all the moon rock we've brought down.


That's good news then. Alvin likes things with more mass.

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PostRe: Space
by Skarjo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:53 pm

:lol:

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PostRe: Space
by Pontius Pilate » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:10 pm

Any pictures surfaced from the Chinese Jade Rabbit yet?

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PostRe: Space
by Nanook » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:20 pm

***Disclaimer!: I haven't read the whole thread, but this TV series needs a mention if it hasn't already***

If you've an interest in space, you owe it to yourself to watch (the LEGENDARY) Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. It's a bit dated these days (the look, but not the info or delivery), but no less amazing. Most of it's on YouTube, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhloCkyErJY

The programme will receive an update next year, with a new series hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson)

Watch it.

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PostRe: Space
by Steve » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:54 pm

Advent7 wrote::shock:

Why am I only just hearing about this?! If merka was involved I bet it would be all over the news :roll:

Mmmmmmm HD moon footage. They should visit the Apollo 11 site to shut up the conspiracy knobs.


You mean the stuff that was planted there in later real missions to the moon? ;)

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PostRe: Space
by Victor Mildew » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:57 pm

:lol:

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by NickSCFC » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:27 pm

Advent7 wrote::shock:

Why am I only just hearing about this?! If merka was involved I bet it would be all over the news :roll:

Mmmmmmm HD moon footage. They should visit the Apollo 11 site to shut up the conspiracy knobs.


That'd be pretty difficult considering how big the moon is.

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PostRe: Space
by Alvin Flummux » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:23 pm

C'mon 21st century space race, papa needs a new pair of lunar colonies and a man on mars...

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PostRe: Space
by Alvin Flummux » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:56 pm

Sort of related to space...

Simulations back up theory that Universe is a hologram

A ten-dimensional theory of gravity makes the same predictions as standard quantum physics in fewer dimensions.

A team of physicists has provided some of the clearest evidence yet that our Universe could be just one big projection.

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity.

Maldacena's idea thrilled physicists because it offered a way to put the popular but still unproven theory of strings on solid footing — and because it solved apparent inconsistencies between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity. It provided physicists with a mathematical Rosetta stone, a 'duality', that allowed them to translate back and forth between the two languages, and solve problems in one model that seemed intractable in the other and vice versa (see 'Collaborative physics: String theory finds a bench mate'). But although the validity of Maldacena's ideas has pretty much been taken for granted ever since, a rigorous proof has been elusive.

In two papers posted on the arXiv repository, Yoshifumi Hyakutake of Ibaraki University in Japan and his colleagues now provide, if not an actual proof, at least compelling evidence that Maldacena’s conjecture is true.

In one paper, Hyakutake computes the internal energy of a black hole, the position of its event horizon (the boundary between the black hole and the rest of the Universe), its entropy and other properties based on the predictions of string theory as well as the effects of so-called virtual particles that continuously pop into and out of existence (see 'Astrophysics: Fire in the Hole!'). In the other, he and his collaborators calculate the internal energy of the corresponding lower-dimensional cosmos with no gravity. The two computer calculations match.

“It seems to be a correct computation,” says Maldacena, who is now at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey and who did not contribute to the team's work.

Regime change

The findings “are an interesting way to test many ideas in quantum gravity and string theory”, Maldacena adds. The two papers, he notes, are the culmination of a series of articles contributed by the Japanese team over the past few years. “The whole sequence of papers is very nice because it tests the dual [nature of the universes] in regimes where there are no analytic tests.”

“They have numerically confirmed, perhaps for the first time, something we were fairly sure had to be true, but was still a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind, a theoretical physicist at Stanford University in California who was among the first theoreticians to explore the idea of holographic universes.

Neither of the model universes explored by the Japanese team resembles our own, Maldacena notes. The cosmos with a black hole has ten dimensions, with eight of them forming an eight-dimensional sphere. The lower-dimensional, gravity-free one has but a single dimension, and its menagerie of quantum particles resembles a group of idealized springs, or harmonic oscillators, attached to one another.

Nevertheless, says Maldacena, the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are actually identical gives hope that the gravitational properties of our Universe can one day be explained by a simpler cosmos purely in terms of quantum theory.


http://www.nature.com/news/simulations- ... am-1.14328

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PostRe: Space
by Moggy » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:23 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:Sort of related to space...

Simulations back up theory that Universe is a hologram

A ten-dimensional theory of gravity makes the same predictions as standard quantum physics in fewer dimensions.

A team of physicists has provided some of the clearest evidence yet that our Universe could be just one big projection.

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity.

Maldacena's idea thrilled physicists because it offered a way to put the popular but still unproven theory of strings on solid footing — and because it solved apparent inconsistencies between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity. It provided physicists with a mathematical Rosetta stone, a 'duality', that allowed them to translate back and forth between the two languages, and solve problems in one model that seemed intractable in the other and vice versa (see 'Collaborative physics: String theory finds a bench mate'). But although the validity of Maldacena's ideas has pretty much been taken for granted ever since, a rigorous proof has been elusive.

In two papers posted on the arXiv repository, Yoshifumi Hyakutake of Ibaraki University in Japan and his colleagues now provide, if not an actual proof, at least compelling evidence that Maldacena’s conjecture is true.

In one paper, Hyakutake computes the internal energy of a black hole, the position of its event horizon (the boundary between the black hole and the rest of the Universe), its entropy and other properties based on the predictions of string theory as well as the effects of so-called virtual particles that continuously pop into and out of existence (see 'Astrophysics: Fire in the Hole!'). In the other, he and his collaborators calculate the internal energy of the corresponding lower-dimensional cosmos with no gravity. The two computer calculations match.

“It seems to be a correct computation,” says Maldacena, who is now at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey and who did not contribute to the team's work.

Regime change

The findings “are an interesting way to test many ideas in quantum gravity and string theory”, Maldacena adds. The two papers, he notes, are the culmination of a series of articles contributed by the Japanese team over the past few years. “The whole sequence of papers is very nice because it tests the dual [nature of the universes] in regimes where there are no analytic tests.”

“They have numerically confirmed, perhaps for the first time, something we were fairly sure had to be true, but was still a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind, a theoretical physicist at Stanford University in California who was among the first theoreticians to explore the idea of holographic universes.

Neither of the model universes explored by the Japanese team resembles our own, Maldacena notes. The cosmos with a black hole has ten dimensions, with eight of them forming an eight-dimensional sphere. The lower-dimensional, gravity-free one has but a single dimension, and its menagerie of quantum particles resembles a group of idealized springs, or harmonic oscillators, attached to one another.

Nevertheless, says Maldacena, the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are actually identical gives hope that the gravitational properties of our Universe can one day be explained by a simpler cosmos purely in terms of quantum theory.


http://www.nature.com/news/simulations- ... am-1.14328

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