Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.
I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap
I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.
To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.
Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.
Good backtracking, so you actually mean't PC games 10 years ago(valid) but compared it with a 360 in your first post? moron
Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.
I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap
I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.
To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.
Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.
Good backtracking, so you actually mean't PC games 10 years ago(valid) but compared it with a 360 in your first post? moron
Don't be bitter that you're the only one who didn't know I was kidding.
Now that Steam lets you download games and install them from the comfort of your desk chair, and let you play them at the click of a button, the argument about hating installs is just uninformed and quite out of date. Also, what's so bad about installs, it gives you time to grab a drink, peruse the manual, check forums, it's not like you sit like a lemming watching the progress bar go from 0 - 100%.
My point of view is that some genres work better on consoles (or rather, with a controller) and others on PC, if a game is available on PC however I will get it there over console thanks to mods and free updates.
Take Team Fortress 2 for example, on PC the game was cheaper and controls better and since release has received three major content updates in the form of the Medic, Pyro, and Heavy packs which add new achievements, maps and weapons. These were free and there are plenty of user created maps that can be played as well. On 360 there has been one major update, a late release of the medic patch, and it costs extra money. Controller is inferior to mouse and keyboard as well while Steam lets you set up chat and games with friends just as easily as live, ergo the PC is the better format and I believe all these advantages will appear in Left 4 Dead as well.
However you wouldn't catch me playing a fighter on PC for instance, I also find platformers easier to play on a console, but things such as simulation and RTS belong on a PC.
Also, there's something about grabbing a controller and relaxing in front of a TV that suits a different mood to sitting at my desk with a mouse and keyboard.
And my final point, local multiplayer is the best thing about consoles. Mario Kart, Rock Band, and Smash Bros are made as local multiplayer experiences, the yelling and trash talk with some beers and snacks laying around is all an experience in itself and something you don't find on PC and an experience that is also diluted online.
So yea, I think they both have a place.
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Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.
I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap
I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.
To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.
Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.
Good backtracking, so you actually mean't PC games 10 years ago(valid) but compared it with a 360 in your first post? moron
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me from a dev is bitter because of what has happened in the past. There is no way i could afford to maintain a pc capable of running the latest games i love the fact i can buy a £300 console every 5 years without the hassle of installs and stuff.
There's a clear distinction to be made between a gaming PC for Crysis and the number of low cost units that make their way into homes. It's hard to deny the appeal of Peggle.
But it's notable that for the first time in nearly a decade, it's possible to buy a home computer for around £200. Even if it's relatively low-spec, games that run on it will run on more powerful PCs, too. That is a market segment which is going to be hard for developers to ignore.
Sarge wrote:
Curiously, Lanning makes no mention of the cheap downloadable games that are available to PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii owners. While full-fledged Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 titles are usually priced between $40 and $60, downloadable releases are typically priced between $5 and $15, with additional content often available post-release at an extra fee.
Releasing those games carry their own troubles. The certification work for Microsoft's marketplace is notoriously time-consuming, and for all three download services, you're essentially at the mercy of the console maker for stuff like updates and even release dates.
For example, the recent release "Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People" on the Wii is slightly buggy and slightly more expensive on the Wii than it would be to buy it on PC, despite the PC version likely being more profitable for Telltale.
Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.
I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap
I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.
To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.
Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.
Good backtracking, so you actually mean't PC games 10 years ago(valid) but compared it with a 360 in your first post? moron
Don't be bitter that you're the only one who didn't know I was kidding.
If you read the thread 2 other people didn't think you were kidding
Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.
I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap
I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.
To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.
Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.
Good backtracking, so you actually mean't PC games 10 years ago(valid) but compared it with a 360 in your first post? moron
Don't be bitter that you're the only one who didn't know I was kidding.
If you read the thread 2 other people didn't think you were kidding
Yes, but they made valid points.
You threw a tantrum.
Hence why they got 'to the others who raised valid points', and you got 'you're a moron'.
