'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by SEP » Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:57 pm

Spore has the right idea - make it work on as many setups as you can. Don't always go for the ones who will happily spend hundreds to upgrade their PCs to play your game, as those people are far fewer than your potential audience.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Neph » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:00 pm

Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally strawberry floating play' is utter madness.


Which current games when the strawberry float do you ever do that ever?

Apart from old games for say vista that need particular updates its:

Put CD in Install load license key in, load game with inbuilt patch laucher dl files play game.

And its so easy your parents can do it.

I really think people over complicate computers and games the whine so much about it but they are easily the best content for user generated stuff. MMO's, FPS control, RTS's, RPG's, Football Sims, Simulations Mouse and keyboard blows away many control schemes although Wii FPS i do admit i rather like if done right.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by SEP » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:02 pm

Using a mouse and keyboard hurts my wrists if I use them for any extended period of time.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by TYSON » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:20 pm

Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.


I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Lionsheart » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:24 pm

MCN wrote:Spore has the right idea - make it work on as many setups as you can. Don't always go for the ones who will happily spend hundreds to upgrade their PCs to play your game, as those people are far fewer than your potential audience.


I agree completely. PC developers should make engines which are as scalable (sp?) as possible. The ones that come to mind are the Source Engine and CoD2.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by The Alchemist Penguin » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:30 pm

TYSON wrote:
Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.


I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap

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MCN wrote:When it comes to upgrading my equipment, I much prefer to buy a shiny new box over opening up my old box and fiddling with its bits.


at least you dont send a PC off for repairs every 3 months


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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Lionsheart » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:32 pm

His point still stands though :?

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by The Alchemist Penguin » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:36 pm

I'm not talking about his point (although, if his point is "You're over-exaggerating" then it's hardly a point, since it's obvious that Skarjo isn't being fully serious). I'm talking about him pulling someone on posting "over-exaggerated crap" after he already did it himself only a few posts ago.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Nook29 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:38 pm

The amount of argument over this is ridiculous, when it's blatantly obvious that PC and consoles each have their positives, and do certain things better.

Console positives:

+ Cheaper than average game playing computer
+ No (required) installation
+ No CD keys
+ Local multi-player, which most PC games lack

Negatives:

- Requires a new console once next generation hits
- Not all games control as well as they do on PC (eg. RTS, FPS)
- Inferior or costly online play
- Little user generated content

PC positives:

+ Does more than just play games (eg. internet, films, work etc.)
+ Can play games on the highest settings
+ Better for RTS and FPS
+ Superior online play
+ Huge amounts of user generated content
+ Cheaper games

Negatives:

- Requires upgrading fairly regularly to play latest games on the highest settings
- Requires install to play
- Costly upgrading
- CD keys

I play and enjoy both consoles and PC, and so should all gamers.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by TYSON » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:38 pm

The Alchemist Penguin wrote:I'm not talking about his point (although, if his point is "You're over-exaggerating" then it's hardly a point, since it's obvious that Skarjo isn't being fully serious). I'm talking about him pulling someone on posting "over-exaggerated crap" after he already did it himself only a few posts ago.


Well in my case, my post about being repaired every 3 months wasnt that big an exageration

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by The Alchemist Penguin » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:45 pm

Consoles also refers to PS3 and Wii (PSP, and DS too, depending on who you ask) and they don't need repaired. So if you own a PS3 or Wii, then it is a complete exaggeration because you never need to send them off. And you'll find that 3 months is quite the exaggeration for X360 failure rates, they normally last about 12 to 18 months.

So needing to send your "console" off every three months is a pretty big exaggeration.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Lionsheart » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:47 pm

He was talking about his PC

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by The Alchemist Penguin » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:52 pm

Herr Dark Wolf wrote:He was talking about his PC


I think you're mistaken:

TYSON wrote:
MCN wrote:When it comes to upgrading my equipment, I much prefer to buy a shiny new box over opening up my old box and fiddling with its bits.


at least you dont send a PC off for repairs every 3 months


He's saying "at least you don't send a PC off for repairs every 3 months" [like you do with an Xbox 360]

He's hardly going to claim you need to repair your PC every 3 months, when he's defending PC gaming. But if he is talking about sending off his PC, then that sentence doesn't make any sense.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Winckle » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:31 pm

I just wanted to take issue with Nooks comment about the lack of local multiplayer and wanted to point out that pc games certainly do support local multiplayer, either on splitscreen, or certainly on LAN play where the numbers can be just as large as internet play.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by SEP » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:38 pm

Winckle wrote:I just wanted to take issue with Nooks comment about the lack of local multiplayer and wanted to point out that pc games certainly do support local multiplayer, either on splitscreen, or certainly on LAN play where the numbers can be just as large as internet play.


LAN play is hardly the most practical of endeavours, though, is it?

The fact of the matter is, whilst games may look nicer, and the mouse and keyboard are better for a small number of genres, PC gaming is still a massively complicated pursuit compared to console gaming.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Nook29 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:52 pm

Winckle wrote:I just wanted to take issue with Nooks comment about the lack of local multiplayer and wanted to point out that pc games certainly do support local multiplayer, either on splitscreen, or certainly on LAN play where the numbers can be just as large as internet play.


Very few feature split screen, and LAN is, as MCN says, not the most practical way of playing locally. Consoles have the PC beaten when it comes to local play.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Exxy » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:09 pm

People who stay to one side are missing out, every gamer should have a PC and a console really.

The exaggeration of PC Gaming is silly though, most games work out of the box after a short install that goes on in the background. You might need a patch, about 5-10 minutes, again, going on in the background. PC is my main system now, I prefer it but I still want to keep my 360 and Wii.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Cal » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:35 pm

KKLEIN wrote:I think he's still ever so slightly bitter about what happened with Stranger's Wrath in 2005 to be honest...


Yes. Whilst I admit the way Stranger's Wrath was criminally treated by EA, Lanning himself has never gotten over the whole thing, at the time he even announced Oddworld Inhabitants were quitting the game business completely to concentrate on 'interactive media' and broadcast CGI work. Obviously, the lure of the big $$$'s being hauled in by the rest of the games business in his absence has brought him sniffing round the trough once again... :lol:

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by net_slayer » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:52 am

Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.



What games are giving you that much hassle? Nothing from recent years surely? Ive not had to fight with getting a game running on a PC in many, many years. Infact i cant even remember the last game that i struggled to get running because it was so long ago. I only really run into problems when getting old stuff (pre-2000) working but even then, we're talking real old stuff. With the likes of Steam, this kind of troubleshooting is almost non existant and older games that are released are modified to run on recent kit. Even the patching process is done automatically. Hell, TF2 has updated itself countless times without me knowing. Also, installing a game, thats no big deal at all. Takes all of what, 5 minutes? I normally hit install and go for a cig and then its game time when i come back. Dont forget we're seeing a growing trend with game installs on consoles now too with the PS3, now that to me is a bigger pain in the ass, on the PC i can at least browse the internet or play some music while i wait.

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PostRe: 'Consoles Are A Problem' and 'A Step Backwards'
by Skarjo » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:53 am

TYSON wrote:
Skarjo wrote:I'm sorry, but to try and suggest 'open disc tray, close disc tray, play' is inferior to 'Open disc tray, install, download patch, try and play, fail, adjust settings, fail, retry, uninstall, reinstall at different settings, search internet for solution, download second patch from random dude, restart, get to menu screen, try again, realise you can buy it on 360, but it on 360, open disc tray, close disc tray, finally ******* play' is utter madness.


I'm sorry but your post is ignorant over-exagerated crap


I'm sorry, but you're clearly a moron.

To the other people who raised slightly more valid points; I was clearly having a bit of fun, and the more recent PC games are only a bit more complicated than consoles when it comes to installing and playing. My more sour memories hark back a few years, comparing trying to get Carmageddon 2 (the greatest game ever) to work on my PC with trying to get Goldeneye to work on my N64. Guess which one was easier. To this day, my most successful attempt has resulted in road textures that seem to have a mind of their own.

Indeed, one can't deny that the world of patches, upgrades and installs has somehow infected console gaming, but this is certainly not something that fills me with glee. The fact that all I ever needed to know about whether a game will work on my system is 'Is the logo on top of the case the same as the one on the front of the machine?' is one of the simplest pleasures of console gaming.

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