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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:25 am

I can also confirm that we dont have free speech as im just back from a 2 week ban, I think Cal's point though is not having free speech in some form or another leads to many arguments/discussions skewed because one side is backed by the 'owners' of the forum and thats just a bit tedious for everyone involved.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Poser » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:28 am

I guess it's the same as if you were gobbing off in a pub and winding everyone up. You wouldn't remain in said establishment for very long, free speech or not.

Free speech is a misnomer anyway, usually used as a catch-all defence by people who are being wilfully antagonistic/bigoted/misogynistic, etc, who don't realise that the notional concept of 'free speech' doesn't stretch to saying what you want, to whomever you want.


Edit: Photek - for clarity, I'm making a general point there, that wasn't aimed at you.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:33 am

Poser wrote:wilfully antagonistic/bigoted/misogynistic, etc, who don't realise that the notional concept of 'free speech' doesn't stretch to saying what you want, to whomever you want.

Well you're still kind of wrong because its merely peoples 'opinion' if someone is antagonistic/bigoted and shutting out forumites perceived that way can lead to them not being able to express the entirety of their opinion which again skews things a little.

The whole rape thing was horrific for anyone (me) that dared to offer a differing view on things, the abuse and labelling I got deserved bans easily but I tell someone to strawberry float off and I get 2 weeks. Go figure.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Poser » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:37 am

It really, really isn't just someone's opinion if someone is being bigoted.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by False » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:38 am

Know your audience. If you know that you are wading into a discussion where people might not like rapists very much, maybe you shouldnt say that rape is ok.

If you fancy getting involved with a discussion about a playstation, maybe you shouldnt open with how good your xbox is.

If you are joining a discussion on climate change, maybe you shouldnt post random baseless discredited information and refuse to respond to your critics.

Would you walk up to a group of real people having a discussion and just randomly spout shite and refuse to respond to their queries in real life? Would you cry "free speech" or "Im being oppressed!" whilst they take turns to beat the gooseberry fool out of you?

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Moggy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:39 am

Photek wrote:The whole rape thing was horrific for anyone (me) that dared to offer a differing view on things, the abuse and labelling I got deserved bans easily but I tell someone to strawberry float off and I get 2 weeks. Go figure.


You got banned because you told me to strawberry float off of the Islamic State thread and broke the [DISCUSSION] rules. I didn't agree with your ban and took no offence at what you said, but I don't make the rules.

What abuse did you get in the Ched Evans/rape thread?

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:40 am

Falsey wrote:Know your audience. If you know that you are wading into a discussion where people might not like rapists very much, maybe you shouldnt say that rape is ok.

If you fancy getting involved with a discussion about a playstation, maybe you shouldnt open with how good your xbox is.

If you are joining a discussion on climate change, maybe you shouldnt post random baseless discredited information and refuse to respond to your critics.

Would you walk up to a group of real people having a discussion and just randomly spout shite and refuse to respond to their queries in real life?

Nobody said rape is ok, but if we follow your rules then whats the point in a forum at all? :lol:

Randomly spout shite is your opinion again, if a bunch of people in my company where discussing something I'd add my opinion, if I didnt I'd rather go jump in a river because being pedestrian is something I loathe, in fact people who are do hold views but hold them to themselves are moronic. I'd rather be hated than thought of as 'some dude'.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Cal » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:41 am

Fatal Exception wrote:
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Rhubarb wrote:Why is an article about the BBC in a "Conspiracy Theories" thread?


Because I believe that the BBC is a biased, left-wing job creation scheme. Because I have no evidence for this it is a conspiracy theory. Clear?


That's not how theories work cal. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Most conspiracy nuts would back up their claim with at least some circumstantial evidence or pseudo-science.


Is this a conspiracy theory thread or not, FE? Or did someone just try and enforce a standard of proof on what is supposed to be a free arena in which to exercise...well, conspiracies? If you want to redefine what we all mean by a conspiracy to mean something with evidential support then by all means, let's have that out in the open. It was my understanding that this thread exists to discuss conspiracies - however loony tunes and unfounded they may/may not be.

I'll state my cases:

1. I believe so-called 'climate change' is a left wing conspiracy driving a political agenda.
2. I believe the BBC is a brazenly left wing, heavily biased and thoroughly impartial broadcaster with a political agenda.

These are my two top conspiracy theories. I can't prove either of them. If I could, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:41 am

Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:The whole rape thing was horrific for anyone (me) that dared to offer a differing view on things, the abuse and labelling I got deserved bans easily but I tell someone to strawberry float off and I get 2 weeks. Go figure.


You got banned because you told me to strawberry float off of the Islamic State thread and broke the [DISCUSSION] rules. I didn't agree with your ban and took no offence at what you said, but I don't make the rules.

What abuse did you get in the Ched Evans/rape thread?

I'm not going over it man, ill just get angry and get banned again.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by False » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:48 am

Photek wrote:
Falsey wrote:Know your audience. If you know that you are wading into a discussion where people might not like rapists very much, maybe you shouldnt say that rape is ok.

If you fancy getting involved with a discussion about a playstation, maybe you shouldnt open with how good your xbox is.

If you are joining a discussion on climate change, maybe you shouldnt post random baseless discredited information and refuse to respond to your critics.

Would you walk up to a group of real people having a discussion and just randomly spout shite and refuse to respond to their queries in real life?

Nobody said rape is ok, but if we follow your rules then whats the point in a forum at all? :lol:

Randomly spout shite is your opinion again, if a bunch of people in my company where discussing something I'd add my opinion, if I didnt I'd rather go jump in a river because being pedestrian is something I loathe, in fact people who are do hold views but hold them to themselves are moronic. I'd rather be hated than thought of as 'some dude'.


Well then Id reason that perhaps logical debate is something you should refrain from. Engaging in a debate should indicate that you are prepared to listen to points and either take them on board or form a coherent counterpoint that you are capable of backing up. It is not an excuse to simply call all people idiots, or get people riled up and then depart because "at least Im not a sheep".

The point of a forum is back and forth conversations. It isnt post a point > run away. Or see someone elses point > call them a strawberry floating dicktard > run away.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Moggy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:49 am

Here are my top two conspiracy theories.

1. I believe UKIP are a Nazi organisation that are plotting to murder everybody that is unable to prove their British heritage goes back to at least 1066. They will make an exception for people with vaguely French sounding surnames like “Farage”.

2. I believe that climate change is cause by invisible hippos that are living in the rivers of the UK. They eat mud and turn this into heat that sinks to the hollow centre of the Earth and causes the whole of the surface of the Earth to heat up. We could solve this by banning rivers and making the hippos homeless.

These are my two top conspiracy theories. I can't prove either of them. If I could, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:54 am

Falsey wrote:
Photek wrote:
Falsey wrote:Know your audience. If you know that you are wading into a discussion where people might not like rapists very much, maybe you shouldnt say that rape is ok.

If you fancy getting involved with a discussion about a playstation, maybe you shouldnt open with how good your xbox is.

If you are joining a discussion on climate change, maybe you shouldnt post random baseless discredited information and refuse to respond to your critics.

Would you walk up to a group of real people having a discussion and just randomly spout shite and refuse to respond to their queries in real life?

Nobody said rape is ok, but if we follow your rules then whats the point in a forum at all? :lol:

Randomly spout shite is your opinion again, if a bunch of people in my company where discussing something I'd add my opinion, if I didnt I'd rather go jump in a river because being pedestrian is something I loathe, in fact people who are do hold views but hold them to themselves are moronic. I'd rather be hated than thought of as 'some dude'.


Well then Id reason that perhaps logical debate is something you should refrain from. Engaging in a debate should indicate that you are prepared to listen to points and either take them on board or form a coherent counterpoint that you are capable of backing up. It is not an excuse to simply call all people idiots, or get people riled up and then depart because "at least Im not a sheep".

The point of a forum is back and forth conversations. It isnt post a point > run away. Or see someone elses point > call them a strawberry floating dicktard > run away.

Funny coming from someone who's been banned consistently over the years. Anyway, what are you on about running away, I rarely back down from an argument, I have been banned for 2 weeks so maybe you thought I'd ran away. I do take opinions on board im not a pleb, I'm also not sure I've made any attempt at an opinion I hold without some factual back up and/or anecdote. If you believe everyone isnt biased to one thing or another through social political ideals, how they where brought up and where they come from then you're a fool.

You're coming across like some sort of utopian loon, people will have different opinions...for want of a better phrase, deal with it.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Cal » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:54 am

Moggy wrote:Here are my top two conspiracy theories.

1. I believe UKIP are a Nazi organisation that are plotting to murder everybody that is unable to prove their British heritage goes back to at least 1066. They will make an exception for people with vaguely French sounding surnames like “Farage”.

2. I believe that climate change is cause by invisible hippos that are living in the rivers of the UK. They eat mud and turn this into heat that sinks to the hollow centre of the Earth and causes the whole of the surface of the Earth to heat up. We could solve this by banning rivers and making the hippos homeless.

These are my two top conspiracy theories. I can't prove either of them. If I could, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories.


Both excellent conspiracy theories: well done, Moggy, you get it. That's the spirit! Have you run No.2 past Greenpeace yet? I'm sure they'd love to start a schools campaign to take care of those pesky hippos. #makethehipposhomeless ;)

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Moggy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:55 am

Cal wrote:
Moggy wrote:Here are my top two conspiracy theories.

1. I believe UKIP are a Nazi organisation that are plotting to murder everybody that is unable to prove their British heritage goes back to at least 1066. They will make an exception for people with vaguely French sounding surnames like “Farage”.

2. I believe that climate change is cause by invisible hippos that are living in the rivers of the UK. They eat mud and turn this into heat that sinks to the hollow centre of the Earth and causes the whole of the surface of the Earth to heat up. We could solve this by banning rivers and making the hippos homeless.

These are my two top conspiracy theories. I can't prove either of them. If I could, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories.


Both excellent conspiracy theories: well done, Moggy, you get it. That's the spirit! Have you run No.2 past Greenpeace yet? I'm sure they'd love to start a schools campaign to take care of those pesky hippos. #makethehipposhomeless ;)


Don't mock me Cal. Those hippos know when you are talking about them and they will take swift and violent revenge.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Poser » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:00 am

My favourite conspiracy (apparently grounded in a small amount of truth) is that the Bush family/empire have traceable Nazi roots.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s ... ndworldwar

http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm

http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/911Germ ... Bush2a.htm

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:02 am

I'd argue they share a similar history in regards to mass murder.

Hitler was a huge admirer of the British Empire and actually thought they could stike a deal together. Just saying... :shifty:

My favourite conspiracy of recent times has to be that the Sandy Hook mass shooting was a hoax concucted by the US government to pass gun control laws. :lol:

That showed up on my facebook, my missus has a nephew who is a total fox loving gun toting dick head. His profile picture is him at a gun range and he wears a hat with a gun on it thats says "I dont call 911". :fp:

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:03 am

Photek wrote:I'd argue they share a similar history in regards to mass murder.

Hitler was a huge admirer of the British Empire and actually thought they could stike a deal together. Just saying... :shifty:


He was also a gooseberry fool painter, but we don't hold that against Rolf Harris.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Photek » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:06 am

Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:I'd argue they share a similar history in regards to mass murder.

Hitler was a huge admirer of the British Empire and actually thought they could stike a deal together. Just saying... :shifty:


He was also a gooseberry fool painter, but we don't hold that against Rolf Harris.

:lol:

Rolf Harris was holding things against others instead.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Moggy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:08 am

Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:I'd argue they share a similar history in regards to mass murder.

Hitler was a huge admirer of the British Empire and actually thought they could stike a deal together. Just saying... :shifty:


He was also a gooseberry fool painter, but we don't hold that against Rolf Harris.

:lol:

Rolf Harris was holding things against others instead.


He was, but just coz Rolf was a nonce, doesn't mean all TV stars in the 70s and 80s were also nonces.

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PostRe: Conspiracy Theories
by Cal » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:12 am

Poser wrote:My favourite conspiracy (apparently grounded in a small amount of truth) is that the Bush family/empire have traceable Nazi roots.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s ... ndworldwar

http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm

http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/911Germ ... Bush2a.htm


While Hitler was on the rise (pre-WWII) and Nazi Germany seemed to some to be an economic and political marvel in the inter-war years, all sorts of questionable types from both the US and UK got themselves involved in tacit support for the Nazi Party. Praising both Hitler and, before him, Mussolini in Italy, for their 'vision' and such was not at all unusual on both sides of the Atlantic. Investing in what seemed like an economic powerhouse (Nazi Germany on the rise) would at the time have made perfect business sense to many - and some from outside Germany as a result got themselves entangled with the Nazis. I don't doubt some of them also supported the fascists (we know a good few did); others were just naive and greedy. In 1933 it must have seemed to many that Nazi Germany was a goldmine of business opportunities - all you had to do was to look past some of the more egregious Nazi rhetoric and concentrate on the profits to be made.

Such bad judgement is nothing new. It still goes on. Our own business links with hateful regimes around the world (even selling many of them arms) surely prove this?


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