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PostControversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Garth » Wed May 06, 2009 12:13 am

Posted by one of the Darkfall developers:
Just the facts:

Darkfall scores a 2 out of a possible 10. Reviewers hardly played the game based on the server logs.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/darkf ... ine-review

Eurogamer’s MMO Editor came to me over a month ago and asked for 2 accounts to review Darkfall which they promptly received. Today, more than a month later they came out with their long awaited review and we REALLY flunked it would seem. Darkfall got 2/10.

2/10 according to the Eurogamer scoring policy means: Avoid at all costs etc. You can find the scoring policy here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php

Scroll down to 2 and see how much this guy hated Darkfall and how strongly Eurogamer prompts everyone to avoid it at all costs.

The MMO editor warned me personally about the bad review on the way, and I asked him to give us some consideration and get another reviewer on the case since 2/10 is the lowest review they’ve ever given, and Darkfall’s reviews so far have been mostly good ones. It sounded very unfair to me and I appealed its publication. Not even the harshest critics of the game or the trolls on various forums would give it that low a score. This is a niche game we explained and perhaps the reviewer’s play-style was completely different and he was maybe the wrong kind of person to review the game. Darkfall isn’t for everyone after all, and having someone who can’t handle this kind of game write the review would be unfair both to the game and to Eurogamer readers. You can’t use the same tool for every job. Eurogamer’s MMO editor refused and basically said that he carefully selected a reviewer that would be fair to the game and that he would stand by the review. Then he posted the review.

When we read the hostile review by Ed Zitron, one thing became apparent: he had not played the game at all. Eurogamer readers and Darkfall players are posting bullet lists of factual errors in the story. The reviewer hadn't even figured out the very basics of the game before he wrote about it. We checked the logs for the 2 accounts we gave Eurogamer and we found that one of them had around 3 minutes playtime, and the other had less than 2 hours spread out in 13 sessions. Most of these 2 hours were spent in the character creator since during almost every one of the logins the reviewer spent the time creating a new character. The rest of the time was apparently spent taking the low-res screenshots that accompanied the article. At no point did this reviewer spend more than a few minutes online at a time.

Darkfall is the largest MMORPG game of its kind and this guy spent a few minutes playing(?) before he tore it apart. How can someone do that responsibly? Ed Zitron didn’t even give Darkfall a chance.

The entire review is opinionated and hostile; it attacks the game, the creators and the company at every chance. The creators and developers of Darkfall, as well as the Darkfall community through its reaction, consider this review suspect and question the motives behind its publication. We can take a bad review, but not like this. Even the worst reviews that we’ve received commend our efforts and speak of the potential of Darkfall. The majority of our players love the game. This review might keep new players from ever trying a game they would enjoy.

We sent the play-time information to Eurogamer and asked them to take down the article as it is damaging our game’s reputation but also Eurogamer’s reputation. We asked to get an unbiased reviewer on the case who will actually play the game before writing about it. They said that taking it down now would be more damaging to their reputation than if they left it up. After our reaction to publicize the play history of their reviewers to protect our game, they asked us to wait while they try to confirm what we already knew from our logs. We’re afraid that waiting any longer is unacceptable to us, because this review was designed to drive people away from our game and allowing it to remain without any kind of reaction is out of the question. Out of professional courtesy we’ve waited 5 hours longer than we said we would before posting this.

An update: Eurogamer got back to us via their editor and said that their reviewer is a contributing writer rather than a staff writer, that he claims to have spent at least 9 hours playing the game and they will stand by their publication. We wrote back that this is a lie and that our server logs(which they already have) show the playtime down to the second and they are at their disposal. They offered to re-review the game and see if the second reviewer has a different opinion than the first one. We wrote back that it might be hard to find someone to confirm the first review, especially if they actually play the game.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Saint of Killers » Wed May 06, 2009 12:20 am

Busted. :lol:

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by rinks » Wed May 06, 2009 12:21 am

Maybe they should have followed Sony's lead, and sent out a Darkfall Reviewer's Guide.

It is sickening for the developer, but not surprising. But if most other review scores have been positive, it shouldn't matter too much.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Mafro » Wed May 06, 2009 12:26 am

Reminds me of their gooseberry fool Resident Evil 4 Wii review.

"I'm gooseberry fool at this game, 7/10"

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Alvin Flummux » Wed May 06, 2009 12:57 am

What else has Ed Zitron reviewed? Pretty much everything he's covered should be considered suspect.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by rinks » Wed May 06, 2009 12:59 am

I'd never heard of him before, but from what I can gather, he's got a history of shit-stirring "controversial" reviews. Sounds like a complete tosser.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Mafro » Wed May 06, 2009 1:16 am

He's got a stupid name too.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Oxx » Wed May 06, 2009 1:20 am

Mafro wrote:He's got a stupid name too.


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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by chalkitdown » Wed May 06, 2009 1:33 am

He's only reviewed one other game for them, also a MMMMOORRRPG.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-l ... ria-review

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Hero of Canton » Wed May 06, 2009 9:52 am

I wouldn't necessarily tar Eurogamer as a site with the same brush. It's just one freelancer. EG has some great writers, too.

But yeah, this is pretty bad. Even if Zitron played it for nine hours (as EG claims), he talks about what you'll be doing during "the first ten hours" of the game as if he's played more than that. 2/10 might well be accurate, but outright lying and complete factual inaccuracies in a review should mean the site thinks twice before asking him to write for them again.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by TheTurnipKing » Wed May 06, 2009 9:59 am

rinks wrote:Maybe they should have followed Sony's lead, and sent out a Darkfall Reviewer's Guide.

It is sickening for the developer, but not surprising. But if most other review scores have been positive, it shouldn't matter too much.

They probably wouldn't have cared too much in the past, but thanks to ranking sites like Metacritic, a single bad review can bring down the final score of the whole game, and as reviews go, this is a doozy.

Though ironically, I can see the Metacritic review ultimately supporting the points that this guy makes. To paraphrase, "it's a niche game, and not everyone is going to love it."

So for Eurogamer to change their review will artificially inflate it's Metacritic score. I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by KK » Wed May 06, 2009 10:00 am

Of course, everyone thinks Ed Zitron is the RamRaider.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Hero of Canton » Wed May 06, 2009 10:05 am

TheTurnipKing wrote:I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


The difference being that Ed Zitron has been paid to review the game, not to barely play it and give up, and then lie about playing it to hundreds of thousands of readers.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by KK » Wed May 06, 2009 10:11 am

This is the second time a developer has rumbled a reviewer. Back in 2004, John Kroknes & Philip Lawrence wrote this open letter to the Official UK Xbox Magazine:


Dear Official Xbox Magazine (UK),

As a fiercely independent games developer, we totally respect the right of reviewers to make harsh but heartfelt criticism of games released to the public. But like all rights, this comes with responsibilities.

Foremost of these must surely be factual accuracy. In your review of Headhunter Redemption (Issue 34, October 2004), you claim that cut scenes "can't be skipped... Grrr!" This is incorrect: all cut scenes in the game are skippable. Grrr, indeed.

More mysteriously, you conclude your review by stating that "the odd bike chase succeeds in breaking up the on-foot action." There are no biking sequences in Headhunter Redemption: a fact that would be apparent to anyone who had actually played the game.

Naturally we would prefer everyone to appreciate our game as much as many other reviewers have done, but we will always try to learn from well-informed criticism. It is far harder to accept ill-informed, unprofessional journalism.

Perhaps in future you could show us, other developers and your readers this simple courtesy: if you can't be bothered to play a game, don't bother to review it.


This was made worse when Andy Irving continued to lie & pretend he was actually talking about a cut scene "involving a bike". Much like Driv3rgate, Future removed the offending thread from their official forums. It was a monumental way to usher in their brand new redesign of the magazine.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by TheTurnipKing » Wed May 06, 2009 10:12 am

Hero of Canton wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


The difference being that Ed Zitron has been paid to review the game, not to barely play it and give up, and then lie about playing it to hundreds of thousands of readers.

On the other hand, by the sounds of the review, what he played was actively hostile towards a new player, and damn near offensive to anyone who's played a better MMO.

While playing for a few hours of reasonably solid combat only netted me a few increases in sword handling, a kindly fellow informed me that it would only take me "about six or eight hours to get good". On further questioning, this was revealed to mean "keep banging your head against the same goblins until you can reliably hit something bigger".


Tell me, if you were faced by that in a pay to play game... would you keep playing if the rest of the experience was as lacklustre?

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Harry Bizzle » Wed May 06, 2009 10:13 am

TheTurnipKing wrote:So for Eurogamer to change their review will artificially inflate it's Metacritic score. I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


If this is the case then it begs the question why he's making out he's played it for 9 hours.

And if he's playing it for review and being paid to do so I should imagine he should give it a proper chance.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by TheTurnipKing » Wed May 06, 2009 10:15 am

Harry Bizzle wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:So for Eurogamer to change their review will artificially inflate it's Metacritic score. I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


If this is the case then it begs the question why he's making out he's played it for 9 hours.

And if he's playing it for review and being paid to do so I should imagine he should give it a proper chance.

Well, it's certainly true he's misrepresented it a little, unless he has/had a second account of his own.

Still though, the review doesn't make the game sound promising.

Personally, I've played way too many lacklustre MMO's of my own to care too much either way.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Eighthours » Wed May 06, 2009 10:22 am

Well, there's no way of knowing who's telling the truth here, as server logs can easily be doctored and don't mean gooseberry fool. However, it does seem like it would be a bit of a disingenuous effort from the devs to lie repeatedly and try to discredit the reviewer to EG's management. Shameful if that's the case. If the dev is correct, however, then the reviewer's actions (and subsequent lies to EG) are shameful too. Of course, it doesn't help that the Darkfall regulars who have registered with EG to comment are almost all hilariously retarded, with grammar that would embarrass Jordo, and the EG regulars are similarly defensive but with slightly better written posts! What a mess.

Kieron Gillen has now been commissioned to re-review the game in an attempt to provide another take: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/edito ... blog-entry

EG can't "win" this, as the Darkfall community will simply accuse KG of loyalism if he gives the game a bad score, and the original review will be discredited if he gives it a good one. I would therefore predict a positive-ish 5/10 to try to placate both sides, but I hope that the review is balls-out one way or the other to put a lid on this.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by bear » Wed May 06, 2009 10:32 am

TheTurnipKing wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:So for Eurogamer to change their review will artificially inflate it's Metacritic score. I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


If this is the case then it begs the question why he's making out he's played it for 9 hours.

And if he's playing it for review and being paid to do so I should imagine he should give it a proper chance.

Well, it's certainly true he's misrepresented it a little, unless he has/had a second account of his own.

Still though, the review doesn't make the game sound promising.

Personally, I've played way too many lacklustre MMO's of my own to care too much either way.

Surely the point is that if what the developers are saying is true then the review can't be seen as valid and so the points it raises are called into question.

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PostRe: Controversy over Eurogamer's Darkfall review
by Hero of Canton » Wed May 06, 2009 10:34 am

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Hero of Canton wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:I'm pretty sure "Ed Zitron" isn't going to be the only guy who reacts to Darkfall by barely playing it and giving up. Indeed, this mirrors my own experiences on a mighty fuckload of MMO's.


The difference being that Ed Zitron has been paid to review the game, not to barely play it and give up, and then lie about playing it to hundreds of thousands of readers.

On the other hand, by the sounds of the review, what he played was actively hostile towards a new player, and damn near offensive to anyone who's played a better MMO.

While playing for a few hours of reasonably solid combat only netted me a few increases in sword handling, a kindly fellow informed me that it would only take me "about six or eight hours to get good". On further questioning, this was revealed to mean "keep banging your head against the same goblins until you can reliably hit something bigger".


Tell me, if you were faced by that in a pay to play game... would you keep playing if the rest of the experience was as lacklustre?


If I'd been paid to write an honest review, of course I would. That said, if, from the first couple of hours, I felt I'd seen enough of the game to fairly judge it as a failure, I'd speak to my editor about reviewing it first, checking it was okay to admit I'd not played it for very long before reviewing it. I certainly wouldn't pretend I'd played more than I had.

I played the first couple of hours of Stormrise and refused to review it because I couldn't get past one bit and just didn't have the energy to sit through another minute of it. It was passed on to someone else who gave it more time but still a pretty scathing review. If you're not going to bother giving a game a fair hearing, then don't review it.

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