Creating a TF2 Map: "Surface Tension" Devblog (Update 07/03)

I've had constant History and English coursework alternating for a month. :lol:

I said this would happen! I said it!

Karlprof wrote:I've had constant History and English coursework alternating for a month. I said this would happen! I said it!

Don't be crazy, you don't work.

Freak Out Requiem IV wrote:Nor does his map OLOL

HIYOOO!

strawberry float you.

Also, now that I actually have spare time I might do a tad more with this - the first post has been updated with some work I did on it today.

Wow, I never realised map-making involved C++ coding. I always assumed the rendering side would be left to the game engine and any other coding would be in some proprietary script.

~Earl Grey~ wrote:Wow, I never realised map-making involved C++ coding. I always assumed the rendering side would be left to the game engine and any other coding would be in some proprietary script.

I think that I'll be able to design better, more optimised and efficient maps if I have a knowledge of the code being used to render it.

There's no coding involved in making a map, it's all done in Hammer. That being said, I wanted to have a look at rendering code since I thought it was important.

So that would explain the OpenGL. Is the latest version OO now, or is that some wrapper? The OpenGL I know didn't rely on classes and structures.

I hope hope Karl works this well at school because he is probably going to be only forumite to found a game developer.

I've said nothing of its success but you have to give a hand to KP for trying. Reminds me of when I used to bother before the world convinced me it doesn't care and it wants me to die.

I'm appalled that this hasn't been completed yet.

Snowmastor wrote:I'm appalled that this hasn't been completed yet.

I'll do some more work on it either after my mocks or during my study leave next week, depending on how much I care about my mocks at the time.

turns out i care about this more than mocks (updated)

That's the way!

Just scrap the whole thing and make a L4D campaign.

smurphy wrote:Just scrap the whole thing and make a L4D campaign.

Actually, I believe the BSPs are fundamentally compatible, so a TF2 map will probably work more or less directly in L4D with only a little modification (predominantly replacement of textures and modifications to support the saferooms and the like. Though an open TF2 map would probably make for a fairly lousy Left 4 Dead experience. The requirements of the levels are fundamentally different.

I may have to fix my PC, get the PC version of L4D and get back into level editing.

I think that as long as the game knows where to spawn you, you can load up a TF2 map as-is and it'll start 'directing' zombies at you. It would be gooseberry fool, though.

smurphy wrote:I think that as long as the game knows where to spawn you, you can load up a TF2 map as-is and it'll start 'directing' zombies at you. It would be gooseberry fool, though.

Left 4 Dead levels are best as a more or less linear route with a lot of dead ends off the main path where the game can spawn zombies, which is more or less at odds with Team Fortress's level design philosophy of two bases with multiple routes of approach connected by wide-open spaces. Lighting is also a much more important consideration in L4D than it is in Team Fortress.

It COULD work, but you'd probably want to do a lot of re-engineering on parts of the map to add extra geometry that simplifes the level flow and adds a lot more dark corners the game can use to hide zombies in.

Surface Tension really wouldn't work as a L4D map - the chapter doesn't even contain any Headcrab Zombies!

The Lambda Complex may be good for it, though! Still, I've invested far too much time into this to switch now.

Updated.

This is impressive stuff.

Very impressive 8-)

Creating a TF2 Map: "Surface Tension" Devblog (Update 07/03)

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