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by Skarjo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:16 am

The strawberry float is a zombie knife?

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:18 am

Skarjo wrote:The strawberry float is a zombie knife?


A knife that has been killed, but comes back to eat other knives.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Lotus » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:19 am

I thought zombie knives had been banned a few years ago anyway?

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:21 am

Skarjo wrote:The strawberry float is a zombie knife?


A zombie knife (also known as a zombie killer knife or zombie slayer knife) is a type of knife. It is defined in English law as a blade with

- a cutting edge;
- a serrated edge; and
- images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Skarjo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:23 am

Moggy wrote:
Skarjo wrote:The strawberry float is a zombie knife?


A knife that has been killed, but comes back to eat other knives.


Ah right, one where you remove the handle or destroy the grip.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:25 am

From photos I keep seeing they tend to have holes in, are considerably larger than a normal knife, and feature an elaborate handle. Apparently many of them aren't real knives but more like TV props, albeit just as dangerous.

They should just bring back stop and search and anyone found carrying a knife is jailed for an automatic 6 months.

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by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:26 am

Skarjo wrote:
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Skarjo wrote:The strawberry float is a zombie knife?


A knife that has been killed, but comes back to eat other knives.


Ah right, one where you remove the handle or destroy the grip.


Being serious for a moment, banning zombie knives will leave us very vulnerable when the dead rise up. Our only protection will be Simon Pegg’s record collection. :dread:

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by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:26 am

KK wrote:From photos I keep seeing they tend to have holes in, are considerably larger than a normal knife, and feature an elaborate handle. Apparently many of them aren't real knives but more like TV props, albeit just as dangerous.

They should just bring back stop and search and anyone found carrying a knife is jailed for an automatic 6 months.


What if they’ve just been shopping for a cutlery set?

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:29 am

Not sure the criminals would be quite as nimble carrying an entire cutlery set clanking around in their pants.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Lotus » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:32 am

They did ban them a couple of years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37080682

Now they'll be double-banned. :datass:

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by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:40 am

KK wrote:Not sure the criminals would be quite as nimble carrying an entire cutlery set clanking around in their pants.


Well no, but you said 6 months for carrying a knife, not 6 months for having a knife in your pants.

The trouble with automatic sentences of the type you describe is that it misses all of the common sense exceptions that we would all like in a law and it ignores circumstances that may make it worthwhile to give a more lenient sentence.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:46 am

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KK wrote:Not sure the criminals would be quite as nimble carrying an entire cutlery set clanking around in their pants.


Well no, but you said 6 months for carrying a knife, not 6 months for having a knife in your pants.

The trouble with automatic sentences of the type you describe is that it misses all of the common sense exceptions that we would all like in a law and it ignores circumstances that may make it worthwhile to give a more lenient sentence.

Nobody needs to be carrying a knife that quite clearly isn't about to be used to eat dinner with. Nobody is walking out of Tesco with an unsealed knife. There is no circumstance a person would have a lone knife on them.

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by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:54 am

KK wrote:
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KK wrote:Not sure the criminals would be quite as nimble carrying an entire cutlery set clanking around in their pants.


Well no, but you said 6 months for carrying a knife, not 6 months for having a knife in your pants.

The trouble with automatic sentences of the type you describe is that it misses all of the common sense exceptions that we would all like in a law and it ignores circumstances that may make it worthwhile to give a more lenient sentence.

Nobody needs to be carrying a knife that quite clearly isn't about to be used to eat dinner with. Nobody is walking out of Tesco with an unsealed knife. There is no circumstance a person would have a lone knife on them.


You see how your blanket “anyone carrying a knife should get 6 months” has now become more nuanced?

There are plenty of reasons people might carry knives. Fishermen, farmers and handymen for instance.

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by Preezy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:54 am

"But officer, I need this machete as I lost my gun"

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Preezy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:07 pm

That's probably the biggest reason I hate London - you can't move for all the knife-wielding fishermen :roll:

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by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Preezy wrote:That's probably the biggest reason I hate London - you can't move for all the knife-wielding fishermen :roll:


Who mentioned London? KK couldn’t think of a single reason why somebody might have a knife on them. When there are lots of reasons people might have one.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:10 pm

Bizarre pedanticism.

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by Preezy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:That's probably the biggest reason I hate London - you can't move for all the knife-wielding fishermen :roll:


Who mentioned London? KK couldn’t think of a single reason why somebody might have a knife on them. When there are lots of reasons people might have one.

I mentioned London, it's the nearest city to where I live. But alright, I also hate Birmingham and Coventry because of all the knife-wielding farmers ;)

I think in reality, police officers are smart enough to tell the difference between a fisherman carrying a knife (do they really carry knives? I'm not convinced but ok I'll allow it for this) and a hoodlum. The boat is a big giveaway as well.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Skarjo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Moggy wrote:
Skarjo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Skarjo wrote:The strawberry float is a zombie knife?


A knife that has been killed, but comes back to eat other knives.


Ah right, one where you remove the handle or destroy the grip.


Being serious for a moment, banning zombie knives will leave us very vulnerable when the dead rise up. Our only protection will be Simon Pegg’s record collection. :dread:


I can't imagine having to fend off the undead with my record selection.

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PostRe: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:16 pm

KK wrote:Bizarre pedanticism.


Hardly. If you are calling for people to be automatically put in prison for 6 months, then you ought to be aware of the countless exceptions that should be in such a law.

It’s kind of important to ensure that a law is fair and only targets the dangerous criminals.

But sure, it’s much easier to just think of it in Sun headline terms.


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