Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Mini E » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:28 am

Yep - I agree with Jawa. You look fine pal.

Edit: Useful to be top of page with no contextualisation in the post ;)

teh bork wrote:The appointment of Moyes is me done with that club until he has strawberry floated off. I'm so angry about this, the final nail in the coffin of this great club.
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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by still » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:51 am

No. 1 FFF. Agree with all others. Zero problem. This is in your mind rather than reality. I speak from experience as for years I suffered from terrible facial dysmorphia. I thought I was truly hideous, like some kind of monster. Use to cross the road to avoid walking past bus queues, 'La Belle et la Bette' was my favourite films, wandered the streets a lot at night..... Now I'm not the most attractive man on the planet!!, but I now realise I'm not that bad.

So, you can trust me!

PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Mini E » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:13 am

Good luck!! That's awesome. Where's the GRcade live feed?!

teh bork wrote:The appointment of Moyes is me done with that club until he has strawberry floated off. I'm so angry about this, the final nail in the coffin of this great club.
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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:35 am

Thank you guys for the replies! I feel a bit better and tbh surprised with the responses. I thought everyone would say that my lower jaw was abnormal and I would benefit from surgery.
I wish I posted in forums with photos years ago instead of just keeping it to myself...but found it difficult to even take the side profile photos of myself :/

Another thing though is I see so many guys on youtube etc getting this surgery done and their chins look way better than mine to begin with so makes me feel insecure and I say to myself if they are doing it then why shouldn't I...

Well I still have this appointment scheduled and can't cancel it now...so I'll go and have a chat anyway. He did say in the letter 2 years ago that if I wanted another opinion after my treatment then I can go back to see him. So no harm in this I guess.

Congratulations still! Have a great day! Thanks for coming online and posting even in your wedding day!

PS the links to my photos doesn't seem to work right now...think the site is down for now. Just incase anyone clicks on them and thinks I took them down.

new link
https://imgur.com/a/jxMhX

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by jawafour » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:01 pm

still wrote:...PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.


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That's terrific, still - thanks for all the advice and help that you have offered to folk in this thread :wub: .

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by False » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:36 pm

Its up to you really. Important to note that external surgery doesnt fix mental issues. If you are a downer on your appearance you will remain one after the surgery, probably. Work on the brain part first and then decide about the external part.

If you do decide to go for surgeries then I dont see the issue with an implant. Much less invasive, much less dangerous, probably similar results.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:05 pm

I would be concerned that this is possibly the kind of obsessive route that cosmetic surgery people go down forever. Also isn't it insanely expensive or on the NHS? If the latter kind of surprising to be honest because it's insanely hard to get counselling nevermind change your entire face, it seems.

I have a deviated septum for example that causes some discomfort but I normally don't even think about it when I'm well. I also have a benign fatty lipoma on my forehead from trauma from falling out of a tree or concussion when I was pissed (no idea really), it's easy to ignore if I don't rub it all the time and make it go red. Heading into my thirties I have some dry mole thing appear out of nowhere. Makes me sound hideous? Not really. We all have these insecurities and they scale with our sadness.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by still » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:03 pm

jawafour wrote:
still wrote:...PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.


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That's terrific, still - thanks for all the advice and help that you have offered to folk in this thread :wub: .


Just to say thank you all. Just getting ready to go to pub for the evening which ‘unfortunately’ is 200 yards across the road.... Had a great day, now for a great night!

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:06 pm

Gently-Parted Ringpiece wrote:Its up to you really. Important to note that external surgery doesnt fix mental issues. If you are a downer on your appearance you will remain one after the surgery, probably. Work on the brain part first and then decide about the external part.

If you do decide to go for surgeries then I dont see the issue with an implant. Much less invasive, much less dangerous, probably similar results.

This.

From your posts you made me think of the pictures of people who have lost their lower jaw due to chewing tobacco. In the pictures I can see a bit of a recess but I honestly wouldn't have noticed it if you didn't say anything.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by smurphy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:19 pm

Yeah there's nothing wrong with the way you look. Judging your own appearance is incredibly difficult and more often than not people will plonk down on the negative side rather than assuming they're really attractive. Learning to like the way you look will be much easier and healthier long term than getting (unnecessary imo) surgeries.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Tragic Magic » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 pm

Do you know what?

I stopped taking my 20mg citalopram and I feel alive and so full of emotion. They stopped me ejaculating which is why I stopped taking them but I feel happy again. I want to sing and dance!

I didn't tell the doctor but he doesn't need to know ;)

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by smurphy » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:22 pm

I'm glad you're feeling good Traj. :D

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:52 pm

The withdrawal is pretty bad.. how long has it been? You should gradually reduce your dose. And about that, I find condoms don't help and it might be a bit (or a lot) more work, so unless you've found it totally impossible, there may be other ways. Try to make sure you've eaten and slept well, giant boner killers for me. Worth trying another medication though. I just wouldn't want you to have a more disruptive episode until things are more stable for you, circumstances from which depression arises etc. have changed.

It's sad, because medication is supposed to be a complimentary, regulatory intervention with the body's biochemical system to level out depressive states - this means sometimes you feel nothing at all where as before you might have felt both happy and sad. I certainly can feel contentedness and sometimes happiness on the medication but I don't tend to experience "joy" so much. I would never use the word "ecstatic" for example. However this is supposed to make it easier to complete proper treatment such as therapy and making life changes. That, does not always really happen..

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:47 pm

Go on, TM! Keep living the dream :mrgreen:.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:54 pm

Glad you're doing better TM. Maybe worth speaking to a doctor as these things are pretty powerful and you don't want the next low to hit too hard.

Out of curiosity do any of you have anger issues that are associated with stress or anxiety?

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by Green Gecko » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:06 am

Sometimes. Twice I've smashed a glass on the wall/floor when some banana splitish remark (like exceptionally banana splitish) or outright abuse drives my anxiety too far. Last time it was being yelled at red in the face for no good reason. I broke down and cried in the pub both times. Fun stuff.

I've thrown washing airer down the stairs, bashed my head against cupboards, and all sorts of other things, but I've never hurt anybody.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:35 pm

Green Gecko wrote:I would be concerned that this is possibly the kind of obsessive route that cosmetic surgery people go down forever. Also isn't it insanely expensive or on the NHS? If the latter kind of surprising to be honest because it's insanely hard to get counselling nevermind change your entire face, it seems.

I have a deviated septum for example that causes some discomfort but I normally don't even think about it when I'm well. I also have a benign fatty lipoma on my forehead from trauma from falling out of a tree or concussion when I was pissed (no idea really), it's easy to ignore if I don't rub it all the time and make it go red. Heading into my thirties I have some dry mole thing appear out of nowhere. Makes me sound hideous? Not really. We all have these insecurities and they scale with our sadness.

Sorry for my late reply I have been trying not to think about it for a few days as it was making me depressed.

The comment about it being a route of obsessive cometic surgery is a concern. Even the orthodontist said he wasn't sure of going ahead with all the surgery incase I end up with something that I am not happy with.

Heres a summary of my visit to the hospital last week...basically was given 3 options:

1) Do nothing and go ahead with removing the braces as my current treatment is coming to an end.
This was the orthodontists preferred option

2) He said if I feel that I cannot live with a recessed chin/lower jaw then he would suggest a sliding genioplasty. Basically a chin job where they cut the corner and reposition it with screws/plates to give you a more prominent chin.

3) Go ahead with a full treatment: braces again to reposition teeth and double jaw surgery. This I believe would include option 2 above too. The major cosmetic risk from this option would be a wider nose. But he said this was not guaranteed but from photos I have seen of other people it seems their nostrils do indeed get wider.
He said he would not recommend this option and thought it would not be a sensible choice. Due to the risks and time/commitment involved for something that I may not be 100% happy about.

I felt rushed and don't think I had enough information about the 3rd option to make my decision at the time i.e. I would have preferred to get more info on the surgical procedure and what the expected outcome would be.

I ended up going for option 2 for now I hope. BUT he said to wait 6 months as he thinks my braces are causing my lower lip to stick out a bit and make my chin look more recessed. So he said after 6 months if I am still not happy then my current orthodontists can contact him, during my retainer check ups, and he'll refer me to a surgeon to do this.

Yes I believe this is all on the NHS. He mentioned no costs and I didn't have to pay to see him either as it was based at an NHS hospital.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by jawafour » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:51 pm

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:35 am

Most people have some time off this time of year, so I've been resting and doing the body scan mindfulness technique. I'm on a low after an intense period of activity and problem solving for about 2 weeks, having been a bit grumpy for the past week or so - but managed to get through X-mas, aside from cancelling a few commitments and just forgetting about others because the stress wasn't worth it. I'm just waking up to what needs doing and stuff in the new year, I can take a break from that for NY celebrations, and then its pretty much on track for normal working and a probably stressful moving home period at the end of the month. I really had to tell myself and tell others to tell me that it was OK to just play games on boxing day and the day after that, worrying about not doing enough stuff. I also had to tell some people that I was under a lot of duress and so I would not be able to help them and it was not OK to make me feel guilty about that. I find it's especially difficult to eat and sleep regularly during those times; I was also alone which does not help. I stayed up until 6am at least 3 times and spent one whole night on the sofa. Sometimes its more often than not that kind of self neglect and lack of regulation that has a worse effect than any depressive/anxious symptoms, that can be managed with relaxation techniques or exercise. Also make sure your vitamin B and D levels are good - going outside before it gets dark early helps with the latter. Phosphorous is also good. Niacin is about as effective as an anti-depressive in low doses because it helps you absorb your food better along with other B vitamins. Phosphorous has the highest concentration in the body after calcium, and helps with tissue repair and working out toxins from the body, and is lower if Vit D is lower, which is lower if you don't get outside much, especially in winter. You can make up vit D with some fish, cheese and mushrooms.That's why I eat bananas, if I don't want to chomp through them I make a smoothie, also high in potassium - I've read some claims that can help with stress and anxiety. I've been taking Boots' Vitamin B complex for about a year now and it definitely makes a significant difference to overall energy levels, but obviously must be taken with water and a balanced diet.

It's definitely a good idea to eat a bit more lean after Xmas too, so things like fish, fresh fruit and vegetables, salads and rice, beans, lentils, potato etc. Try to avoid lots of flour and white or red meat, especially in large quantities like roasts or steaks, as well as fatty dairy like cream or icecream, which can make me lethargic, especially with the sugar content. It's a huge amount of work for the body to digest meat, resulting in a so-so net energy gain. Chocolate, concentrated sugars and deserts etc. will make you feel shitty because of the high glucose energy release and subsequent mood swing and cravings, nevermind lots of artificial flavours, sweeteners and preservatives i.e. "fake food". You are better off having a drink of water than putting those things in your body. If you really need a sugar kick or treats to nibble and improve your mood with that psychological reward, eat organic dark chocolate. Pretty much as much as you want, within reason. Probiotic yoghurt or tablets if you're diary free will help your stomach's gut flora sort itself out so you digest your food better after being beaten up by over-eating certain food groups, too much acidity etc.

And always drink plenty of water, with alcohol, sugar and salt consumption probably being higher, all of which can leave you dehydrated for long periods. Or at least tea, or green tea if you're drinking loads. The anti-oxidants are good for levelling gooseberry fool out and keeping you hydrated - but at least a glass of plain water per day and regularly pissing that gooseberry fool out will help get over the Xmas bump.

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by jawafour » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:22 am

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