Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

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by Hime » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:54 pm

Glad you're doing better TM. Maybe worth speaking to a doctor as these things are pretty powerful and you don't want the next low to hit too hard.

Out of curiosity do any of you have anger issues that are associated with stress or anxiety?

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by Green Gecko » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:06 am

Sometimes. Twice I've smashed a glass on the wall/floor when some banana splitish remark (like exceptionally banana splitish) or outright abuse drives my anxiety too far. Last time it was being yelled at red in the face for no good reason. I broke down and cried in the pub both times. Fun stuff.

I've thrown washing airer down the stairs, bashed my head against cupboards, and all sorts of other things, but I've never hurt anybody.

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by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:35 pm

Green Gecko wrote:I would be concerned that this is possibly the kind of obsessive route that cosmetic surgery people go down forever. Also isn't it insanely expensive or on the NHS? If the latter kind of surprising to be honest because it's insanely hard to get counselling nevermind change your entire face, it seems.

I have a deviated septum for example that causes some discomfort but I normally don't even think about it when I'm well. I also have a benign fatty lipoma on my forehead from trauma from falling out of a tree or concussion when I was pissed (no idea really), it's easy to ignore if I don't rub it all the time and make it go red. Heading into my thirties I have some dry mole thing appear out of nowhere. Makes me sound hideous? Not really. We all have these insecurities and they scale with our sadness.

Sorry for my late reply I have been trying not to think about it for a few days as it was making me depressed.

The comment about it being a route of obsessive cometic surgery is a concern. Even the orthodontist said he wasn't sure of going ahead with all the surgery incase I end up with something that I am not happy with.

Heres a summary of my visit to the hospital last week...basically was given 3 options:

1) Do nothing and go ahead with removing the braces as my current treatment is coming to an end.
This was the orthodontists preferred option

2) He said if I feel that I cannot live with a recessed chin/lower jaw then he would suggest a sliding genioplasty. Basically a chin job where they cut the corner and reposition it with screws/plates to give you a more prominent chin.

3) Go ahead with a full treatment: braces again to reposition teeth and double jaw surgery. This I believe would include option 2 above too. The major cosmetic risk from this option would be a wider nose. But he said this was not guaranteed but from photos I have seen of other people it seems their nostrils do indeed get wider.
He said he would not recommend this option and thought it would not be a sensible choice. Due to the risks and time/commitment involved for something that I may not be 100% happy about.

I felt rushed and don't think I had enough information about the 3rd option to make my decision at the time i.e. I would have preferred to get more info on the surgical procedure and what the expected outcome would be.

I ended up going for option 2 for now I hope. BUT he said to wait 6 months as he thinks my braces are causing my lower lip to stick out a bit and make my chin look more recessed. So he said after 6 months if I am still not happy then my current orthodontists can contact him, during my retainer check ups, and he'll refer me to a surgeon to do this.

Yes I believe this is all on the NHS. He mentioned no costs and I didn't have to pay to see him either as it was based at an NHS hospital.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by jawafour » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:51 pm

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:35 am

Most people have some time off this time of year, so I've been resting and doing the body scan mindfulness technique. I'm on a low after an intense period of activity and problem solving for about 2 weeks, having been a bit grumpy for the past week or so - but managed to get through X-mas, aside from cancelling a few commitments and just forgetting about others because the stress wasn't worth it. I'm just waking up to what needs doing and stuff in the new year, I can take a break from that for NY celebrations, and then its pretty much on track for normal working and a probably stressful moving home period at the end of the month. I really had to tell myself and tell others to tell me that it was OK to just play games on boxing day and the day after that, worrying about not doing enough stuff. I also had to tell some people that I was under a lot of duress and so I would not be able to help them and it was not OK to make me feel guilty about that. I find it's especially difficult to eat and sleep regularly during those times; I was also alone which does not help. I stayed up until 6am at least 3 times and spent one whole night on the sofa. Sometimes its more often than not that kind of self neglect and lack of regulation that has a worse effect than any depressive/anxious symptoms, that can be managed with relaxation techniques or exercise. Also make sure your vitamin B and D levels are good - going outside before it gets dark early helps with the latter. Phosphorous is also good. Niacin is about as effective as an anti-depressive in low doses because it helps you absorb your food better along with other B vitamins. Phosphorous has the highest concentration in the body after calcium, and helps with tissue repair and working out toxins from the body, and is lower if Vit D is lower, which is lower if you don't get outside much, especially in winter. You can make up vit D with some fish, cheese and mushrooms.That's why I eat bananas, if I don't want to chomp through them I make a smoothie, also high in potassium - I've read some claims that can help with stress and anxiety. I've been taking Boots' Vitamin B complex for about a year now and it definitely makes a significant difference to overall energy levels, but obviously must be taken with water and a balanced diet.

It's definitely a good idea to eat a bit more lean after Xmas too, so things like fish, fresh fruit and vegetables, salads and rice, beans, lentils, potato etc. Try to avoid lots of flour and white or red meat, especially in large quantities like roasts or steaks, as well as fatty dairy like cream or icecream, which can make me lethargic, especially with the sugar content. It's a huge amount of work for the body to digest meat, resulting in a so-so net energy gain. Chocolate, concentrated sugars and deserts etc. will make you feel shitty because of the high glucose energy release and subsequent mood swing and cravings, nevermind lots of artificial flavours, sweeteners and preservatives i.e. "fake food". You are better off having a drink of water than putting those things in your body. If you really need a sugar kick or treats to nibble and improve your mood with that psychological reward, eat organic dark chocolate. Pretty much as much as you want, within reason. Probiotic yoghurt or tablets if you're diary free will help your stomach's gut flora sort itself out so you digest your food better after being beaten up by over-eating certain food groups, too much acidity etc.

And always drink plenty of water, with alcohol, sugar and salt consumption probably being higher, all of which can leave you dehydrated for long periods. Or at least tea, or green tea if you're drinking loads. The anti-oxidants are good for levelling gooseberry fool out and keeping you hydrated - but at least a glass of plain water per day and regularly pissing that gooseberry fool out will help get over the Xmas bump.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by jawafour » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:22 am

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Tragic Magic » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:50 pm

My wife bought me a creative writing course book for Christmas. Been reading it and writing already and I think it's going to do wonders with my writing and helping me get over my depression. It's just such an enjoyable thing to do and it helps so much to clear my head and gives me a real sense of achievement. The book looks excellent so far, lots of writing tasks and questions to really get you thinking and trying new styles. Makes me think I should make some kind of blog to get things out there, the good and the gooseberry fool.

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by Green Gecko » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:22 am

Getting stuff down on paper is extremely helpful in my experience with art, but doing it is even better. As a writer you are in the best position to do that because you can write anywhere and writing is, well, writing! There doesn't really need to be an intermediary.

Jawa, I often stay up late because I am both distracted easily and able to focus intensely on activities, however sadly these aren't always productive. I can draw strong perseverance but it is often more an act of avoidance; it can be hard to apply that to the right things.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Slayerx » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:06 am

Tragic Magic wrote:My wife bought me a creative writing course book for Christmas. Been reading it and writing already and I think it's going to do wonders with my writing and helping me get over my depression. It's just such an enjoyable thing to do and it helps so much to clear my head and gives me a real sense of achievement. The book looks excellent so far, lots of writing tasks and questions to really get you thinking and trying new styles. Makes me think I should make some kind of blog to get things out there, the good and the gooseberry fool.


Jordan Peterson a clinical physiologist has always said writing helps.


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by jawafour » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:16 am

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Johnny Ryall » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:20 pm

Never been a fan of new years day. I remember my first proper existential type crisis was Jan 1 2002. I'd somehow convinced myself that everyone I ever care about will eventually die or move to Australia or something. I started having a panic attack and freaking my mum the strawberry float out babbling on about how as you get older your perception of how long a year feels gets shorter and shorter like you are being catapulted to your death like in that banned Xbox ad.

Also I'm hungover lol. I think I'll take a walk to my mum's and at least be productive cos she'll enjoy seeing me. Laterz

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Slayerx » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:01 am

I'm wondering if anyone has found cognitive therapy useful?

My girlfriend suffer from anxiety and extreme OCD and it's been an issue that's just getting worse.

Im trying to not let it get to me and understand she can't just stop doing what she does in an instant and really want to get her some sort of help.

She's open to it and even realises she's getting worse over time.

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by Akai XIII » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:45 pm

I've been offered it before, but it's not for me. Other people I know have tried it and it worked...

If she's willing to try it there's no reason not to give it a go.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by The Watching Artist » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:18 pm

Slayerx wrote:I'm wondering if anyone has found cognitive therapy useful?

My girlfriend suffer from anxiety and extreme OCD and it's been an issue that's just getting worse.

Im trying to not let it get to me and understand she can't just stop doing what she does in an instant and really want to get her some sort of help.

She's open to it and even realises she's getting worse over time.

Yes. Its not a quick fix though. Its about breaking down and understanding how your thoughts are unhelpful. Then to try and undo those thoughts. But it takes time.

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by SugarDave » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:My wife bought me a creative writing course book for Christmas. Been reading it and writing already and I think it's going to do wonders with my writing and helping me get over my depression. It's just such an enjoyable thing to do and it helps so much to clear my head and gives me a real sense of achievement. The book looks excellent so far, lots of writing tasks and questions to really get you thinking and trying new styles. Makes me think I should make some kind of blog to get things out there, the good and the gooseberry fool.


Do you have a link for the book? I might pick it up for myself.

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by Tragic Magic » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:38 pm

SugarDave wrote:
Tragic Magic wrote:My wife bought me a creative writing course book for Christmas. Been reading it and writing already and I think it's going to do wonders with my writing and helping me get over my depression. It's just such an enjoyable thing to do and it helps so much to clear my head and gives me a real sense of achievement. The book looks excellent so far, lots of writing tasks and questions to really get you thinking and trying new styles. Makes me think I should make some kind of blog to get things out there, the good and the gooseberry fool.


Do you have a link for the book? I might pick it up for myself.


It's by Chris Sykes and it's called Complete Creative Writing Course. A quick search on Amazon should find it.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by SugarDave » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:36 pm

Nice one, thanks.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:11 am

I believe that I'm suffering from depression, anxiety, or perhaps both. Maybe neither, could just be something else. I haven't received a diagnosis from a doctor.

For the past few months, I've felt as though a timer of some kind has been ticking away inside my mind, but down to what I simply don't know, but it puts me on edge most of the time, making me feel two steps away from a breakdown at any given moment. I find that I can't control my thoughts like I used to, and now I spend most of my days dwelling incessantly on my many failures, wrong turns in life, and other regrets. It's a constant mental feedback loop of misery. I try to write, but all I can come up with are stupid emo "poems" and letters to nobody in particular, or to my close friend Danielle, which she will ever read because why would I inflict that on her? I've tried putting my energy into writing a work of fiction, but all I can come up with is lore, and not, you know, stories or whatever.

I was able to keep my state hidden away from the missus for a good while, but lately I just can't any more. She tries her best to cheer me up, she has the biggest heart of anyone I've known and she does help, but as a near-lifelong sufferer of severe depression (and probably undiagnosed PTSD) herself, who has only in the last year been able to break free of its dark grasp, I'm deathly afraid of pushing her back down with my own problems. And that's just one thing that bothers me; I have troubling thoughts and questions regarding the most fundamental components of my life running about my head day and night that I'm much too scared to confront.

tl;dr, I'm just a sad man. :(

You can all go back to whatever you were doing now. I just needed to vent.

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by shadow202 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:54 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:I believe that I'm suffering from depression, anxiety, or perhaps both. Maybe neither, could just be something else. I haven't received a diagnosis from a doctor.

For the past few months, I've felt as though a timer of some kind has been ticking away inside my mind, but down to what I simply don't know, but it puts me on edge most of the time, making me feel two steps away from a breakdown at any given moment. I find that I can't control my thoughts like I used to, and now I spend most of my days dwelling incessantly on my many failures, wrong turns in life, and other regrets. It's a constant mental feedback loop of misery. I try to write, but all I can come up with are stupid emo "poems" and letters to nobody in particular, or to my close friend Danielle, which she will ever read because why would I inflict that on her? I've tried putting my energy into writing a work of fiction, but all I can come up with is lore, and not, you know, stories or whatever.

I was able to keep my state hidden away from the missus for a good while, but lately I just can't any more. She tries her best to cheer me up, she has the biggest heart of anyone I've known and she does help, but as a near-lifelong sufferer of severe depression (and probably undiagnosed PTSD) herself, who has only in the last year been able to break free of its dark grasp, I'm deathly afraid of pushing her back down with my own problems. And that's just one thing that bothers me; I have troubling thoughts and questions regarding the most fundamental components of my life running about my head day and night that I'm much too scared to confront.

tl;dr, I'm just a sad man. :(

You can all go back to whatever you were doing now. I just needed to vent.
Have you booked an appointment to go and see your doctor? If you haven't then please do.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Corazon de Leon » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:00 am

Has/does anyone else take ADHD medication? I’m two weeks in and the side effects have been booting my balls all over the place. Mood swings, depression, severe tiredness, the works. It’s been brutal.

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