Detroit: Become Human (PS4)

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Favourite Quantic Dream game?

Omikron: The Nomad Soul (PC/DC - 1999)
3
8%
Fahrenheit (PS2/Xbox/PC - 2005)
9
25%
Heavy Rain (PS3 - 2010)
21
58%
Beyond: Two Souls (PS3 - 2013)
3
8%
 
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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:44 am

This looks pretty good, but then again so did Heavy Rain and Beyond. Fingers crossed Cage had gotten over his Hollywood dreams and had actually made a fun game this time.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by KK » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:02 am

Loved Heavy Rain, thought Beyond was abysmal outside certain scenes (peaked with the homeless section).

This could go either way, though I thought the trailer at E3 was a regression of what we've seen previously.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:47 pm

Oh dear. This is...not looking good. The dialogue in that trailer was beyond cringeworthy and the theme has been done to death a million times before.

A shame.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by Saint of Killers » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:06 pm

Hostage negotiation scene in full.



Apparently that's one of 5 or 6 outcomes.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by Tafdolphin » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:27 pm

Timely.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by OrangeRKN » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:05 pm

Help I want to argue in defence of Detroit as videogames can be so much more than just things you play for trivial fun and should be respected as any other medium is (like film or literature).

But I just know its going to be poorly handled in Detroit and not a good example of that at all

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (Quantic Dream) - PS4
by Tafdolphin » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:11 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:Help I want to argue in defence of Detroit as videogames can be so much more than just things you play for trivial fun and should be respected as any other medium is (like film or literature).

But I just know its going to be poorly handled in Detroit and not a good example of that at all


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Games can 100% be serious discussion pieces that involve grave issues and situations.

David Cage's games are not those games.

Saying that, I am really looking forward to the critical mauling this is inevitably going to receive.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Met » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:39 pm

Get your bingo cards ready.

Spaces can include:
-Creepy shower scene
-Creepy sex scene
-Creepy rape scene
-A shower/sex/rape scene instigated by an android
-White android guilt tripping a black man over slavery
-Chapter devoted to 'bad' android uprising as opposed to the good one
-Androids are actually modified humans
-Weird spiritual bullshit that doesn't fit but is there anyway
-Hobos are the only good people in society
-Absurdly spacious apartments (not counting the hostage scene from trailer)
-The big twist completely invalidates the game up to there or retroactively makes no sense
-There is a remote android shut down that for some reason isn't used for most of the game
-The game starts off good, then gooseberry fools the bed at 56% and it's like flipping a switch
-One of the human characters is revealed to be a more advanced android, but even he isn't aware
-There will be a bit where a character discusses being attracted to androids in a weird homosexuality analogy
-Deemed 'ok' (6-8) by critics, mainly due to the graphical prowess QD has in spite of the rumours. Sells well enough
-Wise/mystical racist minority character
-Abilities change as the plot demands
-Action setpiece scene that has nothing to do with anything
-UNDERWATER CHINESE GHOST BASE! (I doubt it, but it's stupid enough for 2 games)
-French voice actors putting on bad American accents
-Self insert as 'Award winning director David Cage' for Heavy Rain based film, or other ego stroking

I'll think of the last few when I actually make my card, but I think it's safe to assume the free spot will be "Oops, I made ze bad game".

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by HaruKazuhira » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:27 am

Dang this game is gonna get ripped apart isn't it.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Venom » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:14 am

The release is a good surprise - so there will now be two triple-A PlayStation games released in succession. If I was boss I would l leave a bigger space than a month so each game has room to ‘breathe.’

Met wrote:Get your bingo cards ready.

Spaces can include:
-Creepy shower scene
-Creepy sex scene
-Creepy rape scene
-A shower/sex/rape scene instigated by an android
-White android guilt tripping a black man over slavery
-Chapter devoted to 'bad' android uprising as opposed to the good one
-Androids are actually modified humans
-Weird spiritual bullshit that doesn't fit but is there anyway
-Hobos are the only good people in society
-Absurdly spacious apartments (not counting the hostage scene from trailer)
-The big twist completely invalidates the game up to there or retroactively makes no sense
-There is a remote android shut down that for some reason isn't used for most of the game
-The game starts off good, then gooseberry fools the bed at 56% and it's like flipping a switch
-One of the human characters is revealed to be a more advanced android, but even he isn't aware
-There will be a bit where a character discusses being attracted to androids in a weird homosexuality analogy
-Deemed 'ok' (6-8) by critics, mainly due to the graphical prowess QD has in spite of the rumours. Sells well enough
-Wise/mystical racist minority character
-Abilities change as the plot demands
-Action setpiece scene that has nothing to do with anything
-UNDERWATER CHINESE GHOST BASE! (I doubt it, but it's stupid enough for 2 games)
-French voice actors putting on bad American accents
-Self insert as 'Award winning director David Cage' for Heavy Rain based film, or other ego stroking

I'll think of the last few when I actually make my card, but I think it's safe to assume the free spot will be "Oops, I made ze bad game".


Met. That sounds like a pre-determined list of complaints. Perhaps some of them might be valid based on expected storytelling tropes. But it’s also a reflection that a vocal minority delight in slamming a game based, not on gameplay, but on how a game doesn’t conform with their own specific socio-political values.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Met » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:45 am

They're more expectations from the 4 of his other games which have been trash fires from a storytelling perspective if you stop and think about it for more than 2 seconds.

And for Cage, the gameplay IS the story.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by PiGreat » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:16 am

Friendly reminder that not even David Cage himself knows what this trainwreck of a story is going to be about.



Can't wait to see Matt, Pat and Woolie tear into this 'game' when it comes out.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Buffalo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:08 am

I liked Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit so I’m pretty sure I’ll be playing this. The reaction to it is mildly disappointing, but that’s gamers for you.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Venom » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:42 am

Met wrote:They're more expectations from the 4 of his other games which have been trash fires from a storytelling perspective if you stop and think about it for more than 2 seconds.

And for Cage, the gameplay IS the story.


Of Cage’s other games I have only played Heavy Rain - to me it’s a little masterpiece. Before it’s release I had concerns that it would be a QTE button masher, and anybody that says it is would be making a fair comment. But why it worked so well and resonated was because of the story and how deeply it could make you feel. Guilt, sadness and some genuine moments of fear! The part where I was in control of the woman who was hiding from an intruder - amazing! The story is the game, and it is a balancing act with gameplay elements. Reviews of Betond Two Souls were critical, but in Heavy Rain Cage made a game that was a hit that still generates sales today.


I’m expecting there will be websites like Polygon and Kotaku that will focus on the elements they disagree with politically, as is there right. Detroit might be good, it might be bad. I will share my thoughts with the forum after I’ve played it.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Met » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:03 am

I'm not even talking about the politics of it.

Omikron

It starts off with your trying to solve the murder of the person who's body you've randomly entered from the future because it's a 4th wall breaking game where you ARE actually the Nomad Soul and the game talks to you, the player, directly. Fine, that's actually a cool idea, solving your own murder and only a handful of people even know you're meant to be dead. I'd be super down for that. Then it turns out demons are involved and there's this underground race of people and a resistance and a religion and you have to go find an ancient wizard to find an ancient warrior also David Bowie is an ancient AI god and I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting like 5 different factions because I'm having an aneurysm remembering that game.

I'll let the idea of the gameplay being a mix of dialogue based exploration, first person shooter, and 2D fighting game slide on handling because it was trying to do a thing, sure. It's old, whatever. But the it handles like ass because it couldn't settle on one thing and make it work.

Also the primary gimmick was that you could swap bodies by inhabiting someone new. All you had to do was die and hope someone finds your body to enter them. Eventually you learn to just jump as you like, kicking their soul out and leaving your old body an empty husk, decaying in the street. This leads to awkward times where in order to open a gate, instead of just asking the peaceful guy who actually probably would happily let you through, you have to enter his body (destroying the body you left and effectively killing this person) to flip a switch, only to leave again and need another body later. This is a mandatory event and paints you as a psychopath. That's not even getting into the stuff where you can sleep with someone's wife because you're in his body and she brushes off "What if I told you I'm a guy from another dimension?" as hot, dirty talk.


God that was a mess. I love it so much.

Farenheit/Indigo Prophecy

Another game that starts out fantastic but then Cage doesn't get the memo and keeps overdesigning. You wake up straddling a body, knife in hand, and ankle deep in blood. You've clearly killed a guy but you're not a murderer. Evade the cops and figure out what's happening. Great! Yes! I can get behind this!

Also there's a cult that put a spell on you to mind control you. Ok, that explains it. I can get behind that.

To fight aliens.

And ancient Aztec AI monsters...

There's something about giant ghost bugs, too?

You have a kung-fu Matrix fight with a helicopter.

Also the apocalypse is happening and the whole world is freezing. Better have weird zombie sex in the hobo illuminati camp. Also you're dead, should have mentioned that.

But at least there's a cool part where your apartment fights you. Every. Single. Thing. Your entire CD collection? Coming at your head. Your books? Deadly projectiles. Each individual tabletop ornament? WMDs. THE VERY WALLS THEMSELVES?

Also takes from the Thomas Harris school of mental health patients where every one of them is just waiting for a chance to throw their gooseberry fool at you or eat your face.


Luckily David Cage gets reigned in a bit from here on out.

Heavy Rain

Detective strawberry floating Shelby. How did he do even half of what he set up? How did he crawl through the tunnels that Ethan barely even fits into, with sacks full of broken glass, likely going backwards? How many more traps does he have set up? That car gooseberry fool's only happening the once and we know Shaun is the 9th target. And don't get me started on the antique store. There's a difference between withholding the truth for a reveal, like, The Usual Suspects, and outright lying as to how events took place then going "Surprise! We tricked you!"

The marketplace chase scene had nothing to do with anything and is only there for a setpiece. There's no meaningful dialogue between the two cops, the perp (who we never even saw before so have no reason to suspect) gets captured offscreen even if you fail and the scene fades directly into them going "It's not our guy" regardless. It was just David going "But what if there's a chase scene with a chicken?" and nobody really questioning why it's happening.

Then everything about Madison. Jesus. She's JUST there for Cage to play out his fetishes. She gets back from just being sexually assaulted, sees Ethan, who she still has reason to believe is a child killer, and goes "Yeah, ok, I want me some of that." How many times is she almost raped? 3 if we count the dream sequence at the start?

I won't even mention how the blackouts and Ethan waking up holding origami figures are a result of the telepathic bond he shares with Shelby because that was them telling Cage to shut up for once. Execpt I just did because it's the only thing that explains that aspect.


strawberry float, man, that was SO close to being good.

Then there's Beyond

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But seriously:

Fire whoever it was who thought the jumbled chronology was a good idea and whoever signed off on it. I don't care who it was. Make them not have a job now.

There are so many moments where you're expected to feel emoshunz, but you don't know why. Jodie about to throw herself off a building. Awww....but why, though? We know she's homeless, but last scene she was training to be a CIA operative. Oh wait, now she's a child again. And now she's in the desert fighting ancient Navajo ghosts?

I don't know if it's much better in chronological order like in the rerelease, because I'm not touching it with a bargepole again, but I can only imagine the child section would drag on so bad. All I know is that Aiden is an unstoppable force of nature, except when the game tells us he can't go through walls or has a 2m tether despite being able to go half a mile last chapter. Also he is extremely picky about who he can possess because otherwise the game would break.

Oh yeah, also Ellen Page threatened to sue because QD modelled a fully nude version of her to use in the shower scenes and actually put it in the game that you could view using camera hacks. But I'm sure those rumours of the inappropriate photoshops and crass jokes in the workplace are unfounded.


In summary:

A farting dick and balls.

Thank you.

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PostRe: Detroit: Become Human (PS4) | Quantic Dream | out 25th May | feat Jesse Williams, Clancy Brown, Lance Henrikson
by Venom » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:09 am

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