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by Moggy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:31 pm

Garth wrote:Apparently at the Young Labour conference they voted in support of leaving the 'imperialist' NATO, voted for the end of freedom of movement and voted against a 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine. Very anti-US statements made too, with some stating Russia is not a threat... :dread:

I get that Trump is a complete dick, but let's not be short-sighted here!


Leaving NATO = madness

Ending freedom of movement = happening anyway but looks like Corbyn’s got through to the young lefties

2 state solution = sensible

1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lotus » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:48 pm

I think (some) American people think fondly of the UK because of cultural and historical ties, but no more so than the likes of Canada I wouldn't have thought. The US government doesn't care though unless we're supporting what they're doing (invading countries and starting wars, for example).

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoyleo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:51 pm

Moggy wrote:
Garth wrote:Apparently at the Young Labour conference they voted in support of leaving the 'imperialist' NATO, voted for the end of freedom of movement and voted against a 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine. Very anti-US statements made too, with some stating Russia is not a threat... :dread:

I get that Trump is a complete dick, but let's not be short-sighted here!


Leaving NATO = madness

Ending freedom of movement = happening anyway but looks like Corbyn’s got through to the young lefties

2 state solution = sensible

1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

I think you might have misread their position on Israel and Palestine, as theirs is not the sensible choice.

On the other hand, I suppose it means there's probably less anti-semitism in the Young Labour side of things. Unless they're supporting a single Palestinian state.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Cuttooth » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:54 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Garth wrote:Apparently at the Young Labour conference they voted in support of leaving the 'imperialist' NATO, voted for the end of freedom of movement and voted against a 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine. Very anti-US statements made too, with some stating Russia is not a threat... :dread:

I get that Trump is a complete dick, but let's not be short-sighted here!


Leaving NATO = madness

Ending freedom of movement = happening anyway but looks like Corbyn’s got through to the young lefties

2 state solution = sensible

1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

I think you might have misread their position on Israel and Palestine, as theirs is not the sensible choice.

On the other hand, I suppose it means there's probably less anti-semitism in the Young Labour side of things. Unless they're supporting a single Palestinian state.


I think the latter's guaranteed, surely?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:59 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Garth wrote:Apparently at the Young Labour conference they voted in support of leaving the 'imperialist' NATO, voted for the end of freedom of movement and voted against a 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine. Very anti-US statements made too, with some stating Russia is not a threat... :dread:

I get that Trump is a complete dick, but let's not be short-sighted here!


Leaving NATO = madness

Ending freedom of movement = happening anyway but looks like Corbyn’s got through to the young lefties

2 state solution = sensible

1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

I think you might have misread their position on Israel and Palestine, as theirs is not the sensible choice.

On the other hand, I suppose it means there's probably less anti-semitism in the Young Labour side of things. Unless they're supporting a single Palestinian state.


Yeah I missed “against”. :fp:

0 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoyleo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Garth wrote:Apparently at the Young Labour conference they voted in support of leaving the 'imperialist' NATO, voted for the end of freedom of movement and voted against a 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine. Very anti-US statements made too, with some stating Russia is not a threat... :dread:

I get that Trump is a complete dick, but let's not be short-sighted here!


Leaving NATO = madness

Ending freedom of movement = happening anyway but looks like Corbyn’s got through to the young lefties

2 state solution = sensible

1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess. :slol:

I think you might have misread their position on Israel and Palestine, as theirs is not the sensible choice.

On the other hand, I suppose it means there's probably less anti-semitism in the Young Labour side of things. Unless they're supporting a single Palestinian state.


I think the latter's guaranteed, surely?

Thinking about it, yes.

Utterly unworkable, but why I assumed they'd be in support of anything else I don't know.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Dual » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Unless they're supporting a single Palestinian state.


I think that's exactly what's happening.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:13 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution

The one-state solution and the similar binational solution are proposed approaches to resolving the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[1] Proponents of a binational solution to the conflict advocate a single state in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip,[1][2] with citizenship and equal rights in the combined entity for all inhabitants of all three territories, without regard to ethnicity or religion.[1] While some advocate this solution for ideological reasons,[1] others feel simply that, due to the reality on the ground, it is the de facto situation.[3][4]

Though increasingly debated in academic circles, this approach has remained outside the range of official efforts to resolve the conflict as well as mainstream analysis, where it is eclipsed by the two-state solution.


It's the 'radical' solution.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:16 pm

Episode 1 of Have I Got News For You received a lot of complaints, some of which appeared on today's Points of View. Too much Tory bashing for some. A typically sarcastic response from the show's producer Richard Wilson was then read out.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Drumstick » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Is there a particular historical reason why Labour always seem intent on sticking their noses into the Israel/Palestine saga? Nothing good can come from getting involved in that mess, it always seems to result in political own goals for them. Just butt-out and focus on the problems that need addressing in this country, like showing the Tories up for what they are are much as possible.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:18 pm

KK wrote:Episode 1 of Have I Got News For You received a lot of complaints, some of which appeared on today's Points of View. Too much Tory bashing for some. A typically sarcastic response from the show's producer Richard Wilson was then read out.


The party in power had the piss taken out of it more than the party that is out of power?

I’m shocked. :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:26 am

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Eat gooseberry fool you strawberry floating lying banana splits.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:27 am

To be fair the £1 change over has been chaos.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:30 am

strawberry float the strawberry floating Telegraph. Do you remember when it was a somewhat respectable small-c conservative paper? Well now it's Fox strawberry floating news wrapped in the corpse of a broadsheet. The Daily Mail for City types.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:39 am

We're not Greece or Italy, you don't get a pat on the head and a load of free bonus MPs just for getting slightly more votes than the other guy. No, we have constituency-level FPTP: our very own dog gooseberry fool system. Well the Conservatives stepped right in that dog gooseberry fool for once, and now they're bitching like little babies about it. Hell no. Vote Jeremy Corbyn, vote for full luxury space communism, vote for guillotines and the Committee of Public Safety.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:39 am



me irl right now

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:44 am

I don't even think the Telegraph is really read in The City, that would be more the Financial Times, Times, and City AM. It feels more like an in-house Tory paper for those inside the Westminster bubble and who also frequent the Cotswolds.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:57 am

The Telegraph hates our voting system?

I’d imagine that they were massively in favour of changing it during the A/V referendum then…… :slol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Saint of Killers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:14 am

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55p a minute. Out of touch banana splits.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by <]:^D » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:18 am

i didnt know about that until i read it in the paper the other day; absolutely disgraceful to even have it be a chargeable # in the first place


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