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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


It’s very impressive for a high profile Labour politician to win easily in a staunchly Labour constituency.

How’d Labour do overall?

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Moggy wrote:Some of their hate filled front pages:



A lovely article about a trans friendly admiral:



Yep, no more so than the others.


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoëleo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:43 pm

Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


It’s very impressive for a high profile Labour politician to win easily in a staunchly Labour constituency.

How’d Labour do overall?

They achieved the biggest swing since 1945?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:49 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


It’s very impressive for a high profile Labour politician to win easily in a staunchly Labour constituency.

How’d Labour do overall?

They achieved the biggest swing since 1945?


And yet were a million votes and 55 seats behind the most incompetent Tory government in living memory?

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by Knoëleo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:55 pm

Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


It’s very impressive for a high profile Labour politician to win easily in a staunchly Labour constituency.

How’d Labour do overall?

They achieved the biggest swing since 1945?


And yet were a million votes and 55 seats behind the most incompetent Tory government in living memory?

Yes, but for a leader and shadow cabinet that you seem to think are so universally reviled, they sure went out and increased their vote, and share, by a massive amount.

It's easy to point to Labour votes and say lots are votes to stop the tories and not endorsements for Corbyn, but how were these people voting in 2015? Presumably they also wanted to stop the tories just two years before. So where did that swing come from, I wonder?

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by DML » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:01 pm

Gotta say I disagree with you strongly here Mog.

With the existence of the SNP, Labour winning the seats they did was nothing short of remarkable. They didn't lose to the weakest government....it was the strongest government and their campaign destroyed that strength. Let's not forget people were predicting a 100-120 seat victory. Even Denster. And he's never wrong.

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by DML » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:03 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


It’s very impressive for a high profile Labour politician to win easily in a staunchly Labour constituency.

How’d Labour do overall?

They achieved the biggest swing since 1945?


And yet were a million votes and 55 seats behind the most incompetent Tory government in living memory?

Yes, but for a leader and shadow cabinet that you seem to think are so universally reviled, they sure went out and increased their vote, and share, by a massive amount.

It's easy to point to Labour votes and say lots are votes to stop the tories and not endorsements for Corbyn, but how were these people voting in 2015? Presumably they also wanted to stop the tories just two years before. So where did that swing come from, I wonder?


I think there was a big swing from SNP to LAB.

Seats also proved to be more fluid, with many seats turning colours they never have been before, or not for many decades.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:19 pm

DML wrote:Gotta say I disagree with you strongly here Mog.

With the existence of the SNP, Labour winning the seats they did was nothing short of remarkable. They didn't lose to the weakest government....it was the strongest government and their campaign destroyed that strength. Let's not forget people were predicting a 100-120 seat victory. Even Denster. And he's never wrong.


I already said it was impressive. Knowleo is taking parts of my posts and ignoring the rest and so I’m being slightly dickish back.

But I stand by my prediction that Corbyn will never win an election.

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by Chestnut Snowleaves » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:28 pm

This one really strawberry floated me off the other day.



Putting blame on people who seek help is grossly irresponsible. Also who the strawberry float actually uses the term 'happy pills'? They don't actually make you happy.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoëleo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:30 pm

Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:Gotta say I disagree with you strongly here Mog.

With the existence of the SNP, Labour winning the seats they did was nothing short of remarkable. They didn't lose to the weakest government....it was the strongest government and their campaign destroyed that strength. Let's not forget people were predicting a 100-120 seat victory. Even Denster. And he's never wrong.


I already said it was impressive. Knowleo is taking parts of my posts and ignoring the rest and so I’m being slightly dickish back.

But I stand by my prediction that Corbyn will never win an election.

I'm not sure which bits of your posts I've ignored, but OK. :simper:

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by Sleighamorph » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:36 pm

Virgin trains were selling 70 copies of the Daily Mail per day across their entire network.
Continuing to stock it was just completely unsustainable from a business perspective.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:36 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:Gotta say I disagree with you strongly here Mog.

With the existence of the SNP, Labour winning the seats they did was nothing short of remarkable. They didn't lose to the weakest government....it was the strongest government and their campaign destroyed that strength. Let's not forget people were predicting a 100-120 seat victory. Even Denster. And he's never wrong.


I already said it was impressive. Knowleo is taking parts of my posts and ignoring the rest and so I’m being slightly dickish back.

But I stand by my prediction that Corbyn will never win an election.

I'm not sure which bits of your posts I've ignored, but OK. :simper:


:simper:

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by Rex Kramer » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:39 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Virgin trains were selling 70 copies of the Daily Mail per day across their entire network.
Continuing to stock it was just completely unsustainable from a business perspective.

Which should have been the entire story, it didn't need the extra bit which just makes the Mail out to be the victim. It hasn't been smartly handled by Virgin.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:27 pm

Been a little lost in amongst everything else, but the bead ban came into force today:


I still have a L’Oréal Men face scrub in my cupboard. I wonder what manufacturers will now replace it with?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Rex Kramer » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:31 pm

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by jawafour » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:41 pm

I started to go off and explore headlines from various newspapers in order to draw some sort of "evidence"... but quickly gave up.

And the reason is that I stumbled across this article in The Guardian. It's an excellent read and one bit in partcular made me realise what I was doing in my search... "confirmation bias". I was doing this! "What the human being is best at doing is interpreting all new information so that their prior conclusions remain intact.". We're seeking to understand information in a way that supports our point of view rather than considering what other folk are saying. We often have no intention of challenging our own perspective. I wonder if many of us are sometimes guilty of this?

I don't agree with the whole article but aspects of it certainly struck a note. I have edged away from consuming quite so much news over the past year or two; I used to be an avid reader but now I cast an eye over it a lot less frequently. According to the author, this may be a good thing!

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Dual » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:55 pm

What are you talking about?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Karl » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:28 pm

I am sure there is a grain of truth in Rolf Dobelli's essay there, but the most interesting line of that article is at the end: "The Art of Thinking Clearly: Better Thinking, Better Decisions by Rolf Dobelli is published by Sceptre, £9.99. Buy it for £7.99 at guardianbookshop.co.uk". Bear in mind he is trying to sell you his self-help ideology.

Anyway, news being manipulative in general doesn't mean The Mail isn't significantly more vitriolic than The Guardian. Like I said on the last page, when The Guardian goes nuts it's about radical veganism; when The Mail goes nuts it incites bigotry. "They're both nuts sometimes" is a shallow analysis when the rhetoric and consequences are so different.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by lex-man » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:03 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:The biggest stumbling block to Labour’s election campaign was Corbyn (along with McDonnel and Abbott).

The "stumbling block" who increased her majority by 11,000? Yeah, people must really hate her.


She's clearly liked in her constituency and I think that attack on her during the election helped boast her numbers as well, but outside the Labour heartland she goes down like a lead balloon. That's the problem with the current Labour front bench, they are loved by small section of the population but don't go down well outside that audience.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Meep In Heavenly Peace » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:42 pm

The problem is that Corbyn creates a solid ceiling for Labour support. He can maybe get formerly doubting leftists on side but he cannot win over the centre-right, meaning Labour under him will be lucky to scape together a minority government.


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