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Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:52 pm
by Winckle
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:I don't give a flying strawberry float about shoe names.


You can't see why people would have an issue with the girls shoes being called "Dolly Babe" while the boys shoes are called "Leader"?

Nanananana Leader!

Way better name for shoes.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:08 pm
by Lex-Man
Apparently somebodies written an open letter to Farage outing him as a fascist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 85336.html

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:24 pm
by Oblomov Boblomov
Anyone else see that slot on BBC News just now about cow vigilantes in India?! :fp: It was funny until it turns out they recently beat a man with their hands and feet until he literally died in the street in the middle of the day.

How strawberry floated up do you have to be to think your religion gives you permission to murder other human beings? And why is it so common among our species? How the strawberry float did we get past the stone age?

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:30 pm
by Knoyleo
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Anyone else see that slot on BBC News just now about cow vigilantes in India?! :fp: It was funny until it turns out they recently beat a man with their hands and feet until he literally died in the street in the middle of the day.

It felt like watching a bit from The Day Today, but then realising they are actually murdering people for cow smuggling in real life. :fp:

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:35 am
by Squinty
lex-man wrote:Apparently somebodies written an open letter to Farage outing him as a fascist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 85336.html


I seen this yesterday. It was a good read.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:25 am
by KK
Guardian wrote:Pay growth in the UK has started to edge up amid signs that the lowest unemployment since the mid-1970s may be boosting the bargaining power of workers.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that earnings growth in the three months to June was 2.1% higher than in the same months of 2016 – up from 2.0% in the three months to May and a recent low of 1.8% in April.

The ONS said unemployment in the quarter ending in June was down 57,000 on the previous three months at 1,484,000. The jobless rate fell to a fresh 42-year low of 4.4%. Employment was up by 125,000 at 32.1 million in the three months to June, the highest since modern records began in 1971.

Despite the acceleration in earnings growth, living standards remained under pressure because pay has failed to keep pace with inflation, which stood at 2.6% in June.

Ruth Gregory, the UK economist at Capital Economics, said: “The latest labour market figures provided some signs that the tightening in the labour market may be leading to a recovery in wage growth at long last.” Gregory added that the increase in employment had beaten consensus expectations of a 97,000 rise.

The City responded to the latest unemployment and earnings data by pushing up the value of the pound against the dollar by half a cent on the foreign exchanges.

A tighter labour market is seen as strengthening the hand of the hawks on the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee who are pressing for an increase in interest rates.

The ONS reported that the availability of work in the UK continues to attract workers from overseas, but found that the rate of increase had slowed over the past year.

Between April to June 2016 and the same three months of 2017, non-UK nationals from the EU working in the UK rose by 126,000 to 2.37 million while in the previous year there had been an increase of 242,000. There was a fall of 18,000 in workers from the rest of the world in the latest year.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -inflation

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:13 pm
by Blue Eyes
Theresa May is all wound up about Big Ben going silent for four years due to maintenance work, but not so much about Trump not condemning Nazis. strawberry floating stupid idiot piece of gooseberry fool. I'll throw a party when she dies too.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:30 pm
by Squinty
Blue Eyes wrote:Theresa May is all wound up about Big Ben going silent for four years due to maintenance work, but not so much about Trump not condemning Nazis. strawberry floating stupid idiot piece of gooseberry fool. I'll throw a party when she dies too.


I wonder what the Mogg thinks about the Trump. I mean, he was happy to give his opinion on kids shoes.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:17 pm
by Hypes
Squinty wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Theresa May is all wound up about Big Ben going silent for four years due to maintenance work, but not so much about Trump not condemning Nazis. strawberry floating stupid idiot piece of gooseberry fool. I'll throw a party when she dies too.


I wonder what the Mogg thinks about the Trump. I mean, he was happy to give his opinion on kids shoes.


He's stated it many times, but sums it up well here
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25880&p=4178010&hilit=Trump#p4178010

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:16 pm
by KK
The Guardian wrote:Sarah Champion distances herself from Sun article on British Pakistani men

Labour MP says her opening paragraphs were edited and ‘stripped of nuance’ but the tabloid says her team approved it

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The Labour shadow minister Sarah Champion has distanced herself from a column in the Sun in which she wrote: “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.”

The shadow women and equalities minister, who is MP for Rotherham, said her piece had been altered and should “not have gone out in my name”. The newspaper said the MP’s team had fully approved the article.

The piece appeared last Friday under the headline: “British Pakistani men ARE raping and exploiting white girls … and it’s time we faced up to it.”

In her opening paragraphs, Champion wrote: “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?”

Champion’s complaint against the newspaper comes a day after 100 MPs wrote to it to condemn a controversial article by one of its journalists that had quoted her on Muslim grooming gangs.

She was endorsed in the tabloid by the newspaper’s senior writer Trevor Kavanagh who said MPs had to tackle what he deemed “the Muslim Problem” and that Champion was one of the few politicians prepared to speak out.
The Kavanagh column has drawn widespread condemnation, including from the Muslim Council of Britain and the Board of Deputies of British Jews.

More than 100 cross-party politicians signed an open letter to the newspaper condemning the column for using “Nazi-like language” regarding the Muslim community in Britain, coordinated by the Labour MP Naz Shah.

As the row intensified, Champion distanced herself from the article published under her name. She said the opening paragraphs had been edited by the tabloid and “stripped of nuance”.

But a spokesperson for the Sun said: “Sarah Champion’s column, as it appeared on Friday, was approved by her team and her adviser twice contacted us thereafter to say she was ‘thrilled’ with the piece and it ‘looked great’.

“Indeed, her only objection after the article appeared was her belief that her picture byline looked unflattering. Her office submitted five new pictures for further use.”


The MP said her original aim had been to try to “open the debate about a very specific form of child abuse”.

“However, the Sun decided to make the headline and opening sentences highly inflammatory and they could be taken to vilify an entire community on the basis of race, religion or country of origin,” she said.

Champion said she did not write the headline or opening sentences, which she said were “stripped of any nuance about the complex issue of grooming gangs, which have exploited thousands in my constituency”.

“The article should not have gone out in my name and I apologise that it did,” she said.

Of the Kavanagh piece, Champion said she was horrified that a “repulsive and extreme Islamophobic” column had quoted her positively. “I am ashamed that he made positive reference to my own piece. We must always stand up against racism and prejudice, whatever form it takes,” she said.

Labour members on Twitter had called on the party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, to sack Champion from the front bench. The West Lancashire Labour councillor Paul Cotterill called the piece “a sinister piece of propaganda”.

Corbyn said he backed Shah’s public letter condemning Kavanagh’s column and said the sexual abuse cases involving Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile, as well as the Rotherham grooming scandal, showed how serious the problem of sexual abuse was and the different ways it could arise.

In apparent criticism of Champion, who also signed the open letter, the Labour leader said: “Attempts to brand communities or ethnic or religious groups, wittingly or unwittingly, will only make that more difficult.

“In recent days, the Sun has published statements that incite Islamophobia and stigmatise entire communities. That is wrong, dangerous and must be condemned, as Naz Shah’s public letter does in the clearest possible terms. The interests of victims of sexual abuse and the rigorous investigation into the underlying causes of that abuse are damaged by this kind of bigotry and prejudice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... istani-men

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:35 pm
by Tineash
You have to be really strawberry floating stupid, as a Labour MP, to hop on board with The Sun.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:40 pm
by Squinty
Hyperion wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Theresa May is all wound up about Big Ben going silent for four years due to maintenance work, but not so much about Trump not condemning Nazis. strawberry floating stupid idiot piece of gooseberry fool. I'll throw a party when she dies too.


I wonder what the Mogg thinks about the Trump. I mean, he was happy to give his opinion on kids shoes.


He's stated it many times, but sums it up well here
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25880&p=4178010&hilit=Trump#p4178010


I meant Moggy's posh brother Jacob.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:57 pm
by Eighthours
Sarah Champion has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet and Guido has the email proving that The Sun's swift rebuttal to her faux-outrage was 100% accurate.

Date: 11 August 2017 at 10:40
Subject: RE: Sarah’s piece

She is absolutely thrilled with it – just gone to get some hard copies. However, she is mortified that you’ve used such an ancient picture of her – it is about five years old! I sent some newer ones last summer to the picture desk and am attaching them again here. Please can you send them on to the relevant person. Thanks, x


A shame that Champion has been sent backtracking and running by the Corbynistas, as what she wrote was pretty accurate.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:10 pm
by KK
It amazes me people think they can worm their way out of something, sometimes flat out lie, when there is actual evidence of what they originally said or did - either through messages, emails or the holy grail, video/audio.

But then I guess this is the Trump era.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:12 pm
by Eighthours
KK wrote:It amazes me people think they can worm their way out of something, sometimes flat out lie, when there is actual evidence of what they originally said or did - either through messages, emails or the holy grail, video/audio.

But then I guess this is the Trump era.


I'll be very, very lovely to Sarah by saying that maybe she didn't say she was thrilled and her staff member just pretended she did in the email having not actually spoken to her.

(BUT WE ALL KNOW SHE DID.)

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:55 pm
by Grumpy David
KK wrote:
The Guardian wrote:Sarah Champion distances herself from Sun article on British Pakistani men


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/

The full article from The Sun. I don't see how anyone could disagree with any of that.

She's not even wrong to highlight the uncomfortable truth. It's not the deliberately broad and vague term of Asian that includes Turkish men all the way to Japanese men (and clumps in Hindus and Sikhs who commit very few crimes and are probably the best integrated non European people) that is going around in rape gangs targeting white girls.

How are you supposed to solve a problem when you won't tackle the issue head on? Fear of being called racist/Islamophobic is allowing children to be raped. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/10/fear-called-racist-stops-people-reporting-child-sexual-exploitation/

If the MP of Rotherham can't say there's a problem with Muslim rape gangs in this country, who the strawberry float can? Such messed up priorities.

Re: RE: Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:04 pm
by Dinoric
Eighthours wrote:Sarah Champion has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet and Guido has the email proving that The Sun's swift rebuttal to her faux-outrage was 100% accurate.

Date: 11 August 2017 at 10:40
Subject: RE: Sarah’s piece

She is absolutely thrilled with it – just gone to get some hard copies. However, she is mortified that you’ve used such an ancient picture of her – it is about five years old! I sent some newer ones last summer to the picture desk and am attaching them again here. Please can you send them on to the relevant person. Thanks, x


A shame that Champion has been sent backtracking and running by the Corbynistas, as what she wrote was pretty accurate.
She didn't deserve to be in the shadow cabinet after committing domestic violence.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:24 pm
by Hypes
Eighthours wrote:Sarah Champion has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet and Guido has the email proving that The Sun's swift rebuttal to her faux-outrage was 100% accurate.

Date: 11 August 2017 at 10:40
Subject: RE: Sarah’s piece

She is absolutely thrilled with it – just gone to get some hard copies. However, she is mortified that you’ve used such an ancient picture of her – it is about five years old! I sent some newer ones last summer to the picture desk and am attaching them again here. Please can you send them on to the relevant person. Thanks, x


A shame that Champion has been sent backtracking and running by the Corbynistas, as what she wrote was pretty accurate.


Was curious as to what angle you wanted to take, is she a liar? is her article saying what people dare not? Is it Jeremy Corbyn's fault?

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:27 pm
by That
Grumpy David wrote:
KK wrote:
The Guardian wrote:Sarah Champion distances herself from Sun article on British Pakistani men


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/

The full article from The Sun. I don't see how anyone could disagree with any of that.

She's not even wrong to highlight the uncomfortable truth. It's not the deliberately broad and vague term of Asian that includes Turkish men all the way to Japanese men (and clumps in Hindus and Sikhs who commit very few crimes and are probably the best integrated non European people) that is going around in rape gangs targeting white girls.

How are you supposed to solve a problem when you won't tackle the issue head on? Fear of being called racist/Islamophobic is allowing children to be raped. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/10/fear-called-racist-stops-people-reporting-child-sexual-exploitation/

If the MP of Rotherham can't say there's a problem with Muslim rape gangs in this country, who the strawberry float can? Such messed up priorities.


Are there proportionally more rapists amongst the Muslim population compared to amongst other ethnic groups once adjusted to sample the same distribution of socioeconomic status, to the extent that it is statistically significant? Have we thoroughly investigated alternative models that might be more selective (can we exclude Muslims from certain regions, or who are nth generation immigrants for some value of n and above, or...?) and rejected them as less accurate explanations? That would be the condition for me to begin to accept there "is a problem with Muslim rape gangs in this country". Even then, it may or may not be helpful to actually frame the offences in that manner (does the increased awareness decrease the incidence rate enough to justify the increased Islamophobia?).

Shouting about "Muslim rape gangs" is an EDL-level statement so we should only go with it if we're absolutely sure about it. My instinct is always to reject any rhetoric that the dog-whistle racists in The Telegraph want me to internalise.

That being said I haven't been following this story super closely. I am sure you will let me know if my lefty instincts are off the mark on this one. But out of the available options I am happy to be thought of someone who is too-cautious about adopting a potentially racist worldview.

Re: The Politics Thread 3.0

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:15 pm
by Rocsteady
I genuinely can't comprehend how such large groups form. Surely if you're recruiting about 18 folk to rape young girls, stastically it's basically 100% that someone's gonna say strawberry float this and report it?