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Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:47 pm
by DML
KK wrote:But we are a big world power. We're the 5th largest economy, the world leader in finance, with the 5th biggest military.
It doesnt have to stay that way though. We have so little to gain and an awful lot to lose.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:12 pm
by Dinoric
There's also another bill being voted on today which is another power grab by the torys over committees.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:17 pm
by Moggy
KK wrote:But we are a big world power. We're the 5th largest economy, the world leader in finance, with the 5th biggest military.
5th or 9th. And dropping.
We are a world power but it’s mostly based on the past “achievements” of having a big empire. Which is what I meant by being a big world power – we no longer control the world but are a small island just off the coast of the upcoming superpower.
I don’t expect the UK to become a third world nation or anything like that, but we are not the rulers of the waves that such a large proportion of this country seems to think.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:09 pm
by Garth
We used to be #1, make Britain Great again!
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:09 pm
by Lex-Man
Garth wrote:We used to be #1, make Britain Great again!
Maybe we could Trip Trump into handing over California as part of the Trade deal.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:38 am
by KK
Mixed bag for the economy today.
The employment rate is now the highest its been since 1975; but inflation has jumped to 2.9%, whereas weekly earnings only rose 2.1%.
The £ is at $1.32/3. The Bank of England predicting wage growth will rise by 3% in 2018 though, which indicates they expect some big productivity projects on the horizon from somewhere. Manufacturing jobs are up significantly for example, offsetting falls elsewhere.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:39 am
by Rex Kramer
Bloody foreigners, coming over here, not taking all the jobs.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:53 pm
by Denster
Steady Tory hands on the tiller!
You're welcome!
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:00 pm
by Rex Kramer
Wages in the period were 2.1% up on a year earlier, little changed from the previous months' growth rates.
With inflation hitting 2.9% in August, wages are failing to keep up.
Yeah, we've never had it so good.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:14 pm
by Moggy
Denster wrote:Steady Tory hands on the tiller!
You're welcome!
employment rate is now the highest its been since 1975;
Zero hour contracts and the modern gig economy means that the employment rate figure doesn’t tell the proper story. Sure you might be employed, but your 1 hour a month riding a bike for Deliveroo probably isn’t most peoples idea of employment.
but inflation has jumped to 2.9%, whereas weekly earnings only rose 2.1%
Those steady Tory hands in action there, basically giving everyone a pay cut.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:57 pm
by Return_of_the_STAR
May and her team really haven't thought this rise in Police and prison officer salary through well. It's one percentage (as already planned) from central government and a further 1% taken from departmental budgets, so each police force has to fund the extra rise announced yesterday. My force has said today that it will cost them £750,000 which they don't have so it will have to make further savings elsewhere by you guessed it, further redundancies to police staff
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:29 pm
by Lex-Man
Apparently, Labour have tabled some new pay and student loans policies and the DUP have said they are going to vote for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ition-feesThe Democratic Unionist party is planning to vote with Labour in favour of raising NHS pay and against higher tuition fees during opposition day debates, the Guardian has learned.
The party’s MPs will back Labour on a “fair pay rise” for NHS workers and oppose the government’s increase in tuition fees – the first time the DUP will have broken with the Conservatives since their deal after the election.
A DUP source confirmed that the party’s position was to vote on Wednesday for two opposition day motions tabled by Labour. The votes are believed to be non-binding and therefore fall outside the DUP’s confidence and supply agreement with Theresa May’s party.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:35 pm
by Return_of_the_STAR
lex-man wrote:Apparently, Labour have tabled some new pay and student loans policies and the DUP have said they are going to vote for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ition-feesThe Democratic Unionist party is planning to vote with Labour in favour of raising NHS pay and against higher tuition fees during opposition day debates, the Guardian has learned.
The party’s MPs will back Labour on a “fair pay rise” for NHS workers and oppose the government’s increase in tuition fees – the first time the DUP will have broken with the Conservatives since their deal after the election.
A DUP source confirmed that the party’s position was to vote on Wednesday for two opposition day motions tabled by Labour. The votes are believed to be non-binding and therefore fall outside the DUP’s confidence and supply agreement with Theresa May’s party.
So they can vote how they like as long as it's not a binding vote? So they would vote for this and it could get a majority vote but if it then got tabled at a later date for a binding vote then they would vote against it if told to do so by May. WTF
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:38 pm
by Lex-Man
KK wrote:Mixed bag for the economy today.
The employment rate is now the highest its been since 1975; but inflation has jumped to 2.9%, whereas weekly earnings only rose 2.1%.
The £ is at $1.32/3. The Bank of England predicting wage growth will rise by 3% in 2018 though, which indicates they expect some big productivity projects on the horizon from somewhere. Manufacturing jobs are up significantly for example, offsetting falls elsewhere.
What's actually good in this news. Even a 3% pay rise is bad as the value of the pound has dropped 15% against the Euro. The £ strength against the $ is caused by the US economy suffering under Trump rather than the strength of the UK.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:06 pm
by Hypes
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:May and her team really haven't thought this ... through well.
This can be said for anything from the government since 2015
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:10 pm
by Denster
It's basically all the leave voter's fault.
Twats!
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:21 pm
by DML
In some ways we are lucky Trump is in America because otherwise our currency would be absolute dogshit right now.
I'm always reminded how glad I am that everyone now is on a similar page regards May being rubbish. If I still in that world where plenty was saying she was really good at her job, I would find all this far too unbearable.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:25 pm
by Denster
It shouldn't make any difference to you at all.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:40 pm
by DML
Denster wrote:It shouldn't make any difference to you at all.
Thats like saying Liverpool winning a trophy shouldn't matter to you.
...but it does.
I feel the world is slightly saner for everyone knowing shes shite.
Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:56 pm
by Lex-Man
Tories have lost a vote on the NHS and public sectors pay cap. Although apparently it's non binding so they don't actually have to do anything. Still pretty embarrassing.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45241.html