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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Mon May 08, 2017 5:29 pm

Denster wrote:The reason why the more right wing members don't post is for the reasons I've previously stated. The utter flaming we'd get. From the socialist and liberal fanboys.


Absolute rubbish. You pop into the thread every so often and then refuse to actually engage and air your views.

Unless your views are truly horrendous (as in genocidal) then nobody will flame you. And if they do then Karl or another mod will step in.

As it stands your comments have no context and it's impossible to actually talk sensibly with you as you refuse to actually join in to the same extent as everyone else.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Denster » Mon May 08, 2017 5:32 pm

I think you're mistaking what I mean by flaming.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Mon May 08, 2017 5:37 pm

Denster wrote:I think you're mistaking what I mean by flaming.


Then what do you mean?

If you mean people will reply, debate, question and pick apart your views then you don't understand what flaming means.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Memento Mori » Mon May 08, 2017 6:40 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
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Moggy wrote:I'd quite like an abstain option. It shows you bothered to turn up but that you were disgusted by the choices.

Anyone choosing the abstain option when one of the candidates is an actual fascist is too stupid to be allowed to vote.


In that case, or with Trump, I'd agree.

I'd like the option to be able to express my disgust at the quality of the candidates though. I'd probably never use it but it'd be better than people not turning up or just spoiling ballot papers.


It's not stupid if they genuinely dislike both candidates as much as the other.

Anyone who genuinely dislikes Macron as much as Le Pen is a moron. Macron probably isn't a holocaust denier.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Karl » Mon May 08, 2017 7:45 pm

Denster wrote:I think you're mistaking what I mean by flaming.


We're talking about Hexx now, right? :wub:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Garth » Mon May 08, 2017 10:03 pm

Jeremy Corbyn Says He Won't Quit Even If He Loses The General Election

"I was elected leader of this party and I’ll stay leader of this party," Corbyn told BuzzFeed News, taking a few minutes out from campaigning in the Warwickshire town of Leamington Spa.

No matter what happens on 8 June, he said, he would be "carrying on". And he insisted that the constant criticism and poor poll ratings were not getting to him. "Monsieur Zen is fine," he said.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/th ... .hrwVwMXWl

*screams internally*

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Errkal » Mon May 08, 2017 10:06 pm

strawberry floating strawberry float sake, strawberry floating twat nugget gooseberry fool biscuit! Just bloody piss off you old cock womble

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Memento Mori » Mon May 08, 2017 10:14 pm

I think we all suspected this.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Denster » Mon May 08, 2017 10:23 pm

Give him the Job for life.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon May 08, 2017 10:29 pm

It won't be up to him, it'll be McCluskey. Though they may be unable to get rid of the monster they've created if Labour members truly insist on voting for him, such appears to be the Cult of Corbyn.

I mean the only option on the table at that point would have to be a new party.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Grumpy David » Mon May 08, 2017 10:31 pm

Garth wrote:UK house prices in first quarterly fall since 2012: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39842715
Martin Ellis, Halifax housing economist, said one reason why prices were slowing was that property had become too expensive for many people.

Shocking.


Whilst more useful than Nationwide's monthly report, it's difficult to think of a "UK property" market when really it is broken down into more geographical pockets. The prime central London new builds aren't shifting (developers offering free cars to help shift the stock!) whilst places in commuter areas like Croydon/Surrey still seem to be ticking upwards, but more slowly. Parts of Manchester have seen double digit increases. And the chronic undersupply of housing makes it hard to see a serious long term crash. Prices in Croydon have gone up at least 50% since 2013 so a 10% price drop would only bring them down to late 2015 prices.

I'd argue the BTL stamp duty tax and BTL stress test difficulty increase has had a greater impact than Brexit.

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Other than saying "I would rather British taxpayer money remains in the UK where it is spent on the people who it was taken from rather than being squandered abroad on foreign aid" - there really isn't much to add to it. Someone will quote me saying "you heartless monster" or words to that effect. They may even link to articles showing the good it has done - which I don't doubt - I just don't think it makes sense to borrow money to be charitable. It is a massive misallocation of resources that could either be saved and used to reduce the deficit or spent on things which have a clear, quicker and direct impact on the UK taxpayer. 12 billion+ a year could do so much good in the UK. Personally, I think if we're going to borrow money, infrastructure improvements such as building housing is more valuable to the taxpayer. It's not even a minority opinion, most people believe foreign aid spending is far more than it needs to be.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Denster » Mon May 08, 2017 10:36 pm

KK wrote:It won't be up to him, it'll be McCluskey. Though they may be unable to get rid of the monster they've created if Labour members truly insist on voting for him, such appears to be the Cult of Corbyn.

I mean the only option on the table at that point would have to be a new party.

It is entirely possible that his support among the party members will want him to stay on and will be in a position to ensure he does.

Hime wrote:This is nonsense, Photek finally posts something factual and he gets burned. ;)
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Mon May 08, 2017 10:59 pm

Was anyone genuinely expecting Corbyn to ever step down voluntarily? Even if he lost the next General Election?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Karl » Mon May 08, 2017 11:13 pm

If Corbyn tries to stay on after the vote I can see the entire centrist branch of Labour MPs either splitting off or defecting. They would be so furious.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon May 08, 2017 11:22 pm

Karl wrote:If Corbyn tries to stay on after the vote I can see the entire centrist branch of Labour MPs either splitting off or defecting. They would be so furious.


It would be funny if almost all of the labour MPs after the election just up and left labour and started a new party.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon May 08, 2017 11:24 pm

BBC News pays Rupert Murdoch a visit in New York as he's getting into his car...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-3984984 ... t-fox-news

'Nothing is happening at Fox News.'
'You should be worried about the BBC yourselves.'

Oooooh.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hyperion » Mon May 08, 2017 11:31 pm

Is anyone expecting Corbyn to say he'd step down if he lost the election? Seriously? It's not what you say during the run-up. See Cameron and the EU ref.
Also applies to talking about coalitions

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon May 08, 2017 11:36 pm

Corbyn's New Politics. He wouldn't be like dirty Dave and say he's definitely not leaving and then immediately leave. That's old politics, maaaaan. That's passé politics.

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PostRe: RE: Re: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Dinoric » Mon May 08, 2017 11:47 pm

Garth wrote:
Jeremy Corbyn Says He Won't Quit Even If He Loses The General Election

"I was elected leader of this party and I’ll stay leader of this party," Corbyn told BuzzFeed News, taking a few minutes out from campaigning in the Warwickshire town of Leamington Spa.

No matter what happens on 8 June, he said, he would be "carrying on". And he insisted that the constant criticism and poor poll ratings were not getting to him. "Monsieur Zen is fine," he said.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/th ... .hrwVwMXWl

*screams internally*

He's got a point though. He was elected by the members of the party and he feels an obligation to them to stay and do this job until the party members decide other wise. If people are not happy then challenge him to a leadership election and let the party members decide. Of course they might vote him in again but if there really not happy with him then they can vote for someone else.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by captain red dog » Tue May 09, 2017 9:45 am

All this talk about Corbyn quitting is daft. He isn't going to entertain the idea during a general election campaign so don't get too caught up in whether he will quit or not after the election as he isn't going to say he will as it would just look defeatist.


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