The Politics Thread 3.0

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by Nibble » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:31 pm

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TigaSefi wrote:After spending the last few weekends in Europe riding my bike, I am super sad we have to leave it. FFS….. strawberry floatin’ David Cameron.

1) People in Europe are brilliant
2) Cycling in Europe is god-like
3) Beer in Europe is far superior
4) I’m mulling over moving there

An increasing amount of English people are getting more cretinous these days.


Cameron was a cowardly fool, but at least he had the sense to want to stay.

Your anger should be aimed at idiots like Gove, racists like Farage and opportunists like Boris. As well as a very high proportion of the 52% of voters that believed the lies and/or hated foreigners.


I think it's perfectly valid to target your anger at David Cameron. He's the one that's ultimately responsible for landing us in this shitshow. The fact that he didn't even want to leave only makes his actions more reprehensible.

Not disagreeing about the others you mention also deserving to have anger directed at them, though.

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by Denster » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:35 pm

Cameron had a large portion of his own party to appease. Necessary with the small majority he had. The only criticism of him that I have is that he didn't fight hard enough to win the referendum.

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by Winckle » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:38 pm

Moggy wrote:What time will they be voting on the Queen’s speech?

It's a week today I think.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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by Denster » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:41 pm

Yeah I thought it was today but it's next week. Makes sense - they'll have to debate the key aspects of it.

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by still » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:45 pm

KK wrote:There are quite a few good things buried in there actually, though I'm not sure how noticed it'll be. Establishing a new Domestic Violence and Abuse Commissioner to stand up for victims and survivors, & the banning landlords from being able to charge letting fees were 2 that stood out to me.


Another 'hidden' one is that petrol stations are all going to be required to install charging points for electric cars. About time really. Shame it had to come about through imposition....

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:56 pm

Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:What time will they be voting on the Queen’s speech?

It's a week today I think.


Cheers.

Denster wrote:Yeah I thought it was today but it's next week. Makes sense - they'll have to debate the key aspects of it.


I guess it means another week before Theresa has to sign on at the JobCentre. ;)

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by Squinty » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:47 pm

Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:What time will they be voting on the Queen’s speech?

It's a week today I think.


Cheers.

Denster wrote:Yeah I thought it was today but it's next week. Makes sense - they'll have to debate the key aspects of it.


I guess it means another week before Theresa has to sign on at the JobCentre. ;)


She would probably get sanctioned for leaving her job voluntarily.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:08 pm

Mail readers are loving this...

Relief at last for Grenfell Tower families as 250 homeless residents are rehoused in a £2billion luxury block in Kensington after authorities buy up 68 flats in £10million deal

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... block.html

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by Grumpy David » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:22 pm

KK wrote:Mail readers are loving this...

Relief at last for Grenfell Tower families as 250 homeless residents are rehoused in a £2billion luxury block in Kensington after authorities buy up 68 flats in £10million deal

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... block.html


Endless entertainment reading the Best Rated comments. Always better than the article itself.

These were sold at cost price to the City of London Corporation which is a fantastic deal.

We need a very serious review of housing in the UK. Decades of chronic lack of building (for multiple reasons) to meet population growth needs to be dealt with.

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by BID0 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Doesn't look like Caroline Lucas will be allowing that queens speech through easily :wub: she said there wasn't much substance to it "hardly enough there to cover a couple of months, let alone the 2 year period this speech is for"

And she's hoping to get cross party support for an amendment on environmental regulations that match the current EU. Also she wants an amendment to confirm people from the EU who live on the UK can retain their place here if they wish to stay.

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by Lagamorph » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:47 pm

Corbyn is likely to continue offering little more than token resistance to anything Brexit related. Once the bills are already passed he will then declare that Labour will fight against them.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:50 pm

The heat's getting to Dacre so he's having a rant tomorrow...

twitter.com/bbchelenalee/status/877640971386748928


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by Lagamorph » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:55 pm

If they don't want it I'll do it.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:59 pm

I think it's probably a shite job. You think it's going to be amazing but you just trapped in this role and can never really be yourself. It actually must be horrible TBH.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:07 pm

It's just a life long holiday you get paid for.
I'd be the King and there's nothing people can do about it when I just tell them to shut up and strawberry float off.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:22 pm



Harry 4 King.

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by satriales » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:23 pm

The Daily Mail arent 'the facist left' but nice of them to admit to the other two points.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Squinty » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:19 am

Harry and William seem like a good blokes.

I don't understand what the fascist left entails.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:33 am

Squinty wrote:I don't understand what the fascist left entails.


The DM thoughts go something like this.

"They won't let us be racist anymore, why can't we say racist things anymore, they are being intolerant of our intolerance, if they were so tolerant they would let us say anything we wanted, they are stopping our freedom of speech, who else stopped freedom of speech, Nazis and fascists that's who, hmmm National Socialists, socialists, lefties....THE LEFT ARE FASCIST!!!!!"

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:32 am

Daily Mail Editorial, June 22nd 2017 wrote:Fake news, the fascist Left and the REAL purveyors of hatred

FIRST, an apology to our readers. We realise that they are not interested in our differences with other newspapers, which inevitably risk being seen as self-obsessed navel-gazing. But this week the Guardian published a cartoon so sick and disgusting — so deranged and offensive to the four million decent, humane and responsible people who read us — that we owe it to every one of them to lay to rest this malicious smear.

The calumny in question was a crude drawing of the van in which a white man, believed to be a racist thug and drunken social inadequate, mowed down Muslim worshippers earlier this week. Emblazoned on the side of the vehicle were the words: ‘Read the Sun and Daily Mail.’

The implication was as unmistakable as it was poisonous. The Guardian was telling its followers that the Daily Mail and its readers are vicious bigots with the blood of innocent, peace-loving Muslims on their hands.

If this had been an isolated example of the Left’s bilious malice, we might have let it pass with nothing more than a shudder of revulsion. After all, cartoonists, including our own, are traditionally allowed great licence.

But this is far from a one-off insult to our readers, who — as should go without saying — were as horrified and appalled as the rest of the country by the Finsbury Park attack.

No, hardly a day passes without another drip, drip, drip of mendacious vitriol and bile from Guardian writers, attacking us and our readership and, by implication, all fair-minded, small- c conservatives who make up the great majority in this country. Earlier this month a Guardian online columnist, Sophie Heawood, tweeted: ‘Genuinely excited for a future in which the Daily Mail readers are all dead.’

She later deleted it, but nothing can wipe out the bigotry and hatred in her original tweet.

In March, attacking us for lightheartedly comparing Theresa May’s legs with those of Nicola Sturgeon, the Guardian’s jejeune and excitable Leftwing columnist Owen Jones described the Mail thus: ‘It comes to something when this open sewer is still capable of shocking us with its stench.’

Earlier this week, a Guardian writer attacked the Daily Mail for carrying comments by the controversialist Katie Hopkins. That was a lie. The Guardian and its writer know that Ms Hopkins has nothing to do with the Daily Mail, but works for Mail Online — a totally separate entity that has its own publisher, its own readership, different content and a very different world view.

The Guardian knows this, because the Mail has told it countless times, but, hey, why let a little lie get in the way of a good smear?

Only yesterday, the Guardian published a half-witted reader’s letter, accusing the Mail of complicity in acts of mindless violence — including last year’s hideous murder of the Labour MP Jo Cox, whose husband the Mail interviewed over two pages last week, urging readers to join in one of his reconciliation street parties at the weekend.

With an awe-inspiring lack of selfawareness or respect for the truth, its correspondent ranted: ‘The main organ of hate speech in Britain, as everyone knows, is the Right-wing extremist Daily Mail, also the main author of Brexit. So why on earth is it not being held to account?

‘If any actual person stood on the street shouting the sort of bile that paper produces daily, they could be prosecuted for hate speech. Surely it is time to launch a group action by victims, on behalf of us all, against the Daily Mail for hate speech and general incitement to violence.’

For the Guardian’s editor to publish such deluded, defamatory nonsense — which in itself is a naked incitement to violence (though the paper clearly lacks the nous to see this) — speaks volumes about the hatred that grips this ‘voice of liberalism’.

But then the examples of its over-thetop ranting are countless, accusing the Mail without a shred of foundation of fanning the flames of Islamophobia and racism and generally advocating Right-wing extremism.

Of course, it wouldn’t matter so much if these infantile lies were confined to the pages of a little-read dying paper. But in this age of social media, they are spread and amplified through the great distorting echo-chamber of the internet, where the mob really does rule — and gleefully repeated by BBC ‘comedians’ when they are not indulging in their normal staple of lavatorial humour.

For the record — not that this matters to the fake news the Guardian creates about the Mail — this paper has always been against UKIP, so much so that Nigel Farage blamed us for his lack of electoral success.

For the record, the Mail was consistently against Blair’s and Cameron’s wars in Iraq and Libya, arguing that such illegal incursions would stoke a sense of grievance among Muslims worldwide — a grievance that has been the animus behind so many of the terrorist attacks in Britain today. We were also the first paper unequivocally to condemn Guantanamo Bay and consistently opposed Britain’s involvement in torture. Is to argue that Islamophobic?

Yes, this paper argued strongly for withdrawal from the EU ( an unforgiveable sin in the eyes of the Guardian’s metropolitan europhile readers). But to claim this paper is the author of Brexit, as the Guardian’s letter writer did this week, is simply insane.

Our views on the EU — held consistently over 25 years — are shared by 17.4 million lovers of British democracy from every part of the political spectrum, including huge numbers of traditional Labour voters who certainly don’t read the Mail.

But to the Guardian, of course, those people are stupid, uneducated racists, who are not intelligent enough to understand the virtues of belonging to a vast undemocratic behemoth which has reduced the economies of several member states to ashes.

We also readily declare that we have called for restraints on mass immigration — a wish shared not only by a large majority in Britain but, as a Chatham House survey found this week, by tens of millions of working people throughout Europe.

But, as we never cease to stress, we harbour not the faintest animosity towards others on account of their colour or creed. On the contrary, we have unfailingly acknowledged the contribution to our society made by hard-working settlers from overseas, while expressing strong admiration for many of the virtues espoused by Islam.

Indeed, the Mail has a very considerable readership among British Asians, who share our commitment to family values and aspirations.

No, our sole motives for demanding border controls are to relieve the pressure of numbers on school places, hospital beds, wages, housing, transport and other infrastructure, preserve our national identity and improve our security and social cohesion.

Indeed, we will not take lessons from the Guardian about compassion for members of other races. After the Manchester atrocity, we launched an appeal whose proceeds will be shared among victims and interfaith charities, working to promote harmony between members of different religions.

Within hours of the Grenfell Tower disaster, the Mail’s management were the first to offer practical support, giving £100,000 to the victims, with a promise to match staff contributions up to a further £50,000.

Nor will we take lessons on racism from the Guardian. Our campaign to bring Stephen Lawrence’s murderers to justice, for which the editor of this paper could have been jailed, did more to improve race relations in this country than anything the Guardian has ever achieved.

Nor will we take censure for inciting violence from a paper that damaged the West’s ability to combat terrorism by publishing classified emails leaked by those egregious traitors Assange and Snowden.

For the Guardian — which, because of criminally stupid business decisions has lost hundreds of millions of pounds over the years — we have one question: in the name of sanctimony, what, when you handle your own affairs so badly, gives you the right to sit in judgment on other papers?

Your jaded product is addicted to subsidy and steeped in public sector mentality — which is why you merely preach the same failed answer to every problem: throw more public money at it.

The Mail will, however, confess to one sin in the Guardian’s eyes: we love our country, fear its enemies, and believe everything possible should be done to protect its people.

Nobody is obliged to agree with the Mail’s views. We ask only that the Guardian should stop so malignly misrepresenting them — and stop hating the millions of decent, small- c conservatives who share them.

The truth is that the Guardian and the fascist Left are the REAL purveyors of hate in this country.

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