The Politics Thread 3.0

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by Tell Karl his brother is dead » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:23 pm

Moggy wrote:Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

It's OK, UKIP are irrelevant, the Tories are our far-right party now. ( ;) -but-also- :( )

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by Tineash » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:16 pm

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Moggy wrote:Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

It's OK, UKIP are irrelevant, the Tories are our far-right party now. ( ;) -but-also- :( )


They'll try really hard to get a Dolchstossslegende going when Brexit doesn't deliver the land of milk & honey, but hopefully it won't stick.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Tineash wrote:
Karl wrote:
Moggy wrote:Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

It's OK, UKIP are irrelevant, the Tories are our far-right party now. ( ;) -but-also- :( )


They'll try really hard to get a Dolchstossslegende going when Brexit doesn't deliver the land of milk & honey, but hopefully it won't stick.


They are already blaming Remainers for talking the country down and not being patriotic enough.

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by TV Dinner » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Moggy wrote:Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

Farage was reprinting literal Nazi propaganda during the referendum campaign. When weren't they full Nazi?

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by Christmas CrackErrkal » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:45 pm

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Moggy wrote:Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

Farage was reprinting literal Nazi propaganda during the referendum campaign. When weren't they full Nazi?

Ukip has a different name so that means they totally aren't Nazis.

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by Hyperion » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:47 pm

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:20 pm

There are loads of thick racist banana splits on social media at the moment complaining that Labour used an image of a mosque at their conference.

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They don’t seem to have heard of Brighton Pavilion. :lol:

Even when called out they reply with “well it looks like one!”. :lol:

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by Rocksleddy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:31 pm

CBI extremely unimpressed with Mcdonnell's speech earlier. Can't say i think it's a particularly economically sound plan when Brexit uncertainties are taken into account.

+1 for the Keir Starmer love.

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by lex-man » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:45 pm

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And then he went and gave a speech at their conference.

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by andretmzt » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:09 pm

I should have asked before really, but is anyone else at the Labour Party Conference?

Some of the opinions people are coming out with at these fringe events though. :dread:

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by Schiess dem Denster » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:08 am

I missed my chance to go to the Tory conference. Got offered a ticket for 55 quid in may after I'd been canvassing. Should have took it.

Too expensive now. Shame that.

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by Rex Kramer » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:24 am

So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:50 am

Rex Kramer wrote:So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?


At no point. Utterly disgusting that she feels so threatened that she needs security.

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by Harry Ellis » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:38 am

Rex Kramer wrote:So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?

It's not acceptable to feel threatened but I think it's more likely she's enacting in political point-scoring.

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by Squinty » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:41 am

Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?


At no point. Utterly disgusting that she feels so threatened that she needs security.


There was still people victim blaming her, which is sad. I'm not sure what she has received threats for. She's just doing her job.

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by lex-man » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:41 am

I don't think she is. People have gone totally crazy recently.

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by Rex Kramer » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:43 am

Drumstick wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?

It's not acceptable to feel threatened but I think it's more likely she's enacting in political point-scoring.

Really?

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:44 am

I pretty much 100% agree with this.

SNOWFLAKE. Pathetic. Fake news. “Not exactly Kate Adie in a war zone.”

And that’s just a flavour of the way some people on social media greeted the news that the BBC’s political editor has been assigned a bodyguard to protect her at Labour party conference: by blaming the victim, not those who threaten violence against her. She’s making it up for attention! She was asking for it, what with her wilful refusal to report the news in a manner more to people’s liking! She should have known it was provocative even to set foot there!

Evidently many Labour supporters will be as horrified as any other sane individual by the idea of journalists being physically intimidated at work, a thuggish phenomenon repeatedly observed at Donald Trump’s rallies, and associated with totalitarian regimes the world over. Many MPs and activists, including some close to Jeremy Corbyn, will doubtless go out of their way this week to show Laura Kuenssberg she is welcome in Brighton, and that those who mean her harm are cranks with no place in a democratic movement.

But there is a small, self-righteous and aggressively entitled minority within the left who clearly don’t feel that way, and whose behaviour now risks tarnishing that wider movement. They may grudgingly accept that Kuenssberg needs physical protection – and it’s amazing how many people are confident in declaring from the comfort of their armchairs that she doesn’t really, despite not having a clue about her situation – but they sneer that it’s funny she doesn’t need saving from Tories, without pausing to consider whether this says less about Kuenssberg than it does about them. (For the record, she has been targeted by both far right and far left; and the BBC doesn’t employ security just for laughs.) The rage against her in some quarters is visceral, frenzied, beyond all reason.

Some of it is doubtless rooted in a refusal to accept her professional judgment, an almost subconscious rejection of the idea that a woman – even a woman whose life’s work is covering politics – might know what she’s talking about. It’s striking that neither previous male holders of her job, nor the largely male political editors of titles overtly hostile to Corbyn, have been so singled out. But it can’t all be down to misogyny. People who were rightly horrified when the anti-Brexit campaigner Gina Miller had to hire bodyguards, or were outraged by the sickeningly racist and sexist abuse heaped on Diane Abbott, will bend over backwards to pretend that what’s happening to Kuenssberg is somehow different. It’s as if they can’t bear the thought of having to feel solidarity with someone they don’t like.

You don’t have to like someone to know that physical intimidation of this kind has no place in a democracy. Kuenssberg is a good journalist doing a sterling job under pressure the like of which no other political editor at the BBC has ever experienced. But even if she wasn’t, the same statement of the bleeding obvious would hold true: threatening to kill someone merely because their opinions annoy you is wrong. It doesn’t matter if those threats are against Diane Abbott, or Jess Phillips, or Anna Soubry, or Nigel Farage, it is never acceptable to settle a political argument by threatening to hang one’s opponent or harm their children. Belittling and refusing to believe those on the receiving end of such threats, or contriving lame excuses for them, is if anything almost more depressing, because it legitimises violence and emboldens the genuinely dangerous.

It’s embarrassing even to have to spell out something so basic, but people have a right to enter politics without fear for their lives and journalists have a right to do their jobs – to challenge, question, hold people to account and sometimes doubtless annoy – without being bullied into silence. So stop asking who Laura Kuenssberg thinks she is, wandering around Brighton with her security detail; start asking what we have become as a country that she should need one.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:46 am

Squinty wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:So Laura Kuenssberg needs to employ a bodyguard to keep her safe at the Labour conference? At what point is this acceptable?


At no point. Utterly disgusting that she feels so threatened that she needs security.


There was still people victim blaming her, which is sad. I'm not sure what she has received threats for. She's just doing her job.


It doesn’t matter if you’re hard left or right, both sides are convinced that the BBC hate them and Laura K gets a huge amount of abuse because some hard lefties think she is biased against them.

People are strawberry floating mental and it seems to be getting worse.

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by Trelliz » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:28 am

Moggy wrote:People are strawberry floating mental and it seems to be getting worse.


Tbh that's how i'd sum up the 2010s in a single sentence.

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