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by lex-man » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:42 pm

Squinty wrote:Was 1957 actually any good? I mean, really?

A quick search says that there was a massive flu pandemic in Asia that killed 150,000 folks. But on the plus side, the frisbee was invented :wub:


I looked through the list of stuff that happened in the UK in 57 and it seemed pretty quiet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_in_t ... ed_Kingdom

I think the article is at this link:

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html

EDIT: the comments are insane.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Meep » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:03 pm

It looks like any ounce of reality is immediately down voted. :lol: At least most of these people will be dead soon. It's just shame they managed to do so much last damaging to the rest of us before they went.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:32 pm

People were happier, even though they were struck down by illnesses such as polio


Not a comment but a quote from the article, accompanied by a photo of a women who has polio but has a massive smile on her face :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:42 pm

Latest Newspaper sales figures for October 2017 (issued on 16th November)

The Sun: 1,517,314 (Year-on-Year circulation change -9.26%)
Sun on Sunday: 1,295,842 (-9.84%)
Daily Mail: 1,388,733 (-8.08%)
Mail on Sunday: 1,195,035 (-9.19%)
London Evening Standard (free): 898,885 (steady)
London Metro (free): 892,451 (1,472,781 across the UK)
The Sunday Times: 750,770 (-3.9%)
Daily Mirror: 743,332 (-20.17%)
Sunday Mirror: 516,786 (-24%)
Daily Telegraph: 465,802 (+1.93%)
The Times: 444,493 (+1.63%)
Daily Star: 406,864 (-12%)
Daily Express: 368,959 (-7.12%)
Sunday Telegraph: 344,758 (-5.49%)
i: 263,023 (-5.67%)

BOOK THE FUNERAL

Sunday People: 206,593 (-21.45%)
The Observer: 177,279 (-6.03%)
The Guardian: 146,766 (-6.98%)

WORLDWIDE ONLINE READERSHIP FIGURES, DAILY (October 2017)

Mail Online: 14,703,488 (Year-on-year readership change +2.89%)
The Independent: 6,276,529 (+72.53%)
The Sun: 5,534,983 (+76% *paywalled*)
Mirror: 5,264,705 (+4.16%)
Metro: 2,027,892 (-14.76%)
Evening Standard: 796,908 (+7.66%)

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoyleo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:12 pm

KK wrote:The Sun: 5,534,983 (+76% *paywalled*)

I didn't think it was any more. :?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoyleo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:15 pm

Lucien wrote:
Meep wrote:It looks like any ounce of reality is immediately down voted. :lol: At least most of these people will be dead soon. It's just shame they managed to do so much last damaging to the rest of us before they went.


What a strawberry floating horrible thing to say.

Are you still an anti-natalist?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
KK wrote:The Sun: 5,534,983 (+76% *paywalled*)

I didn't think it was any more. :?

It isn't (thus the massive jump).

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:39 pm

John Bishop is interviewing Jeremy Corbyn this week for some freeview channel. For some reason.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:06 pm

KK wrote:Latest Newspaper sales figures for October 2017 (issued on 16th November)

The Sun: 1,517,314 (Year-on-Year circulation change -9.26%)
Sun on Sunday: 1,295,842 (-9.84%)
Daily Mail: 1,388,733 (-8.08%)
Mail on Sunday: 1,195,035 (-9.19%)
London Evening Standard (free): 898,885 (steady)
London Metro (free): 892,451 (1,472,781 across the UK)
The Sunday Times: 750,770 (-3.9%)
Daily Mirror: 743,332 (-20.17%)
Sunday Mirror: 516,786 (-24%)
Daily Telegraph: 465,802 (+1.93%)
The Times: 444,493 (+1.63%)
Daily Star: 406,864 (-12%)
Daily Express: 368,959 (-7.12%)
Sunday Telegraph: 344,758 (-5.49%)
i: 263,023 (-5.67%)

BOOK THE FUNERAL

Sunday People: 206,593 (-21.45%)
The Observer: 177,279 (-6.03%)
The Guardian: 146,766 (-6.98%)

WORLDWIDE ONLINE READERSHIP FIGURES, DAILY (October 2017)

Mail Online: 14,703,488 (Year-on-year readership change +2.89%)
The Independent: 6,276,529 (+72.53%)
The Sun: 5,534,983 (+76% *paywalled*)
Mirror: 5,264,705 (+4.16%)
Metro: 2,027,892 (-14.76%)
Evening Standard: 796,908 (+7.66%)


Where did you get your figures from KK? What was the guardians website numbers? I've read that it's over 10 million at week. 42 million in the month of July this year.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:08 pm

They're from https://www.abc.org.uk, which monitors the majority of newspapers, magazines and websites.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:12 pm

Thanks. Oddly doesn't seem to list the guardians website and app.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Dual » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:58 pm

Wish more people would read the i. It's a great newspaper and doesn't deserve to be bottom of that list.

Newspaper readership is very tribal though. Hard habit to break.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Squinty » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:15 pm

Seen that Hammond video. Seems more like a Freudian slip that he stupidly decided to run with.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by satriales » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 am

Squinty wrote:Seen that Hammond video. Seems more like a Freudian slip that he stupidly decided to run with.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious what he meant, it just came out wrong.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:29 am

Many of the newspapers want “spreadsheet Phil” gone so it’s no surprise they’re going after him for this snafu.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:41 am

KK wrote:Many of the newspapers want “spreadsheet Phil” gone so it’s no surprise they’re going after him for this snafu.

It's pure coincidence that those happen to be pro-Brexit papers mostly.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Shadow » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:56 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
KK wrote:Latest Newspaper sales figures for October 2017 (issued on 16th November)

The Sun: 1,517,314 (Year-on-Year circulation change -9.26%)
Sun on Sunday: 1,295,842 (-9.84%)
Daily Mail: 1,388,733 (-8.08%)
Mail on Sunday: 1,195,035 (-9.19%)
London Evening Standard (free): 898,885 (steady)
London Metro (free): 892,451 (1,472,781 across the UK)
The Sunday Times: 750,770 (-3.9%)
Daily Mirror: 743,332 (-20.17%)
Sunday Mirror: 516,786 (-24%)
Daily Telegraph: 465,802 (+1.93%)
The Times: 444,493 (+1.63%)
Daily Star: 406,864 (-12%)
Daily Express: 368,959 (-7.12%)
Sunday Telegraph: 344,758 (-5.49%)
i: 263,023 (-5.67%)

BOOK THE FUNERAL

Sunday People: 206,593 (-21.45%)
The Observer: 177,279 (-6.03%)
The Guardian: 146,766 (-6.98%)

WORLDWIDE ONLINE READERSHIP FIGURES, DAILY (October 2017)

Mail Online: 14,703,488 (Year-on-year readership change +2.89%)
The Independent: 6,276,529 (+72.53%)
The Sun: 5,534,983 (+76% *paywalled*)
Mirror: 5,264,705 (+4.16%)
Metro: 2,027,892 (-14.76%)
Evening Standard: 796,908 (+7.66%)


Where did you get your figures from KK? What was the guardians website numbers? I've read that it's over 10 million at week. 42 million in the month of July this year.


The Guardian is among the highest traffic news sites in the Alexa rankings (it's 104th most popular website), so it's odd it's not included in this list (DM is 97, the Indy is 337).

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am

The Guardian choose not to be officially audited for whatever reason, but as of September 2017 it’s at 9,499,156 according to internal figures supplied to advertisers. Mail Online is the biggest newspaper website in the world, with the failing New York Times sitting just under them.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:31 am

BBC News wrote:Talks on forming a coalition government in Germany have collapsed, leaving Angela Merkel facing her biggest challenge in 12 years as chancellor.

The free-market liberal FDP pulled out after four weeks of talks with Mrs Merkel's CDU/CSU bloc and the Greens.

FDP leader Christian Lindner said there was "no basis of trust" between them.

What happens next is unclear, but Mrs Merkel is due to meet President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who has the power to call snap elections.

Her bloc won September's poll, but many voters deserted the mainstream parties.

Mrs Merkel said she regretted the collapse of the talks, adding she would meet the German president later on Monday to formally tell him negotiations had failed.

"As chancellor, I will do everything to ensure that this country is well managed in the difficult weeks to come," she said.

Aside from early elections, Mrs Merkel could also form a minority government with the Greens.

The second-largest party in parliament, the Social Democrats, have ruled out returning to a coalition government with Mrs Merkel.

Goodbye!'

The FDP's leader emerged from the talks venue in the middle of the night surrounded by his party colleagues and told waiting reporters that the party was leaving the process.

He said that while the FDP knew it could not steer the course of the entire republic with just 11% of the vote, the parties involved in talks had "no shared vision" of how the country should be modernised, and four weeks of talks had left them with "many inconsistencies, unanswered questions and conflicts".

"Today there was no progress - rather there were setbacks because targeted compromises were questioned," Mr Lindner said.

"It is better not to rule than to rule badly. Goodbye!" he added.

Mrs Merkel blamed differing cultures and styles for the collapse but said: "We think we were on a path to finding a solution."

Co-leader Simone Peter of the Greens, meanwhile, said the FDP had been "irresponsible, dubious and calculating".

Her party colleague Katrin Göring-Eckardt said the Greens had been "ready to talk" and had found a "much greater understanding" with the CDU and FDP through the talks, especially over migration politics, climate change and agriculture.

The parties involved in the talks are reported to be deeply divided over tax, asylum and environmental policies.

One of the sticking points is reported to be whether Syrian refugees should be allowed to bring family members to join them in Germany.

Mrs Merkel's conservatives, mindful of the electoral success of the anti-Islam, anti-immigrant AfD, are cautious and want to extend a moratorium on so-called family reunions.

After winning its first parliamentary seats, the far-right nationalist AfD (Alternative for Germany) vowed to fight "an invasion of foreigners" into the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42047532

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by captain red dog » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:39 am

Well that's pretty disastrous for Merkel. I think 4 terms is too much for any world leader though. Her party should have used her last term to refresh and modernise and have a new leader in place.

People declaring her as 'leader of the free world' look increasingly foolish in my opinion.


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