The Politics Thread 3.0

[Lagamorph]

My student loans will be payed off by the end of this year anyway at my current repayment rate.

[Herdanos]

I don't support Corbyn, but people attack him with the strangest arguments. The student loan thing just makes very little sense as a thing to attack him over.

Replace "people" with "the papers" and it suddenly makes more sense, given the most popular tabloids and the Telegraph are all owned by men with a vested interest in the success of the Tories' "undermine public services, reduce taxes on the rich, increase wealth inequality, privatise assets" strategy.

[DML]

Labour are a puzzle alright.

They have an incredibly difficult balance to strike.

[Squinty]

So Corbyn is now in trouble because he said some things about student loans, but that did not appear in the Labour manifesto? And he didn't win the election making it impossible to decide if he lied or not.

Whereas the Tories are in power but have dumped pretty much every manifesto promise that they made, but that's ok?

Yep. I suppose it could affect him in the long term or whenever the next GE is called. But the fact that he's not even in power makes this kind of silly to me. Makes me wonder what gooseberry fool news the Conservative party is trying to suppress.

[Lagamorph]

So Corbyn is now in trouble because he said some things about student loans, but that did not appear in the Labour manifesto? And he didn't win the election making it impossible to decide if he lied or not.

Whereas the Tories are in power but have dumped pretty much every manifesto promise that they made, but that's ok?

Yep. I suppose it could affect him in the long term or whenever the next GE is called. But the fact that he's not even in power makes this kind of silly to me. Makes me wonder what gooseberry fool news the Conservative party is trying to suppress.

They're in talks to allow exports of chlorinated American chicken to the UK. The American Farming association are basically saying that any trade deal between the US and UK must allow the export of chlorine washed chicken and hormone fed beef.

[Preezy]

Easy solution for people uncomfortable with this US chicken stuff - just buy British. Only purchase meat from RSPCA assured farms. If you're not able to afford that meat - don't buy any meat.

[BID0]

Easy solution for people uncomfortable with this US chicken stuff - just buy British. Only purchase meat from RSPCA assured farms. If you're not able to afford that meat - don't buy any meat.

We won't be protected by EU law so it'll mean British meat ends up with these lower standards too so they can compete.

[Moggy]

If you're not able to afford that meat - don't buy any meat.

Great solution! If you're poor then don't eat.

[Eighthours]

Can't wait for my CHLORINE CHICKEN.

[Moggy]

Can't wait for my CHLORINE CHICKEN.

It sounds like you're having a Miss Millie's at the swimming pool.

[Squinty]

So Corbyn is now in trouble because he said some things about student loans, but that did not appear in the Labour manifesto? And he didn't win the election making it impossible to decide if he lied or not.

Whereas the Tories are in power but have dumped pretty much every manifesto promise that they made, but that's ok?

Yep. I suppose it could affect him in the long term or whenever the next GE is called. But the fact that he's not even in power makes this kind of silly to me. Makes me wonder what gooseberry fool news the Conservative party is trying to suppress.

They're in talks to allow exports of chlorinated American chicken to the UK. The American Farming association are basically saying that any trade deal between the US and UK must allow the export of chlorine washed chicken and hormone fed beef.

And there it is

[Eighthours]

I thought there was supposed to be a smoking ban in public places, but it didn't include this gun!

[Preezy]

Politicians need to be banned from Twitter.

[Eighthours]

And that's why the 'no he didn't say that' is a deflection. The coverage of the issue during the election was politically advantageous, so there was no attempt made by Corbyn or his office to correct the record. Now we have evidence of that MP saying that Labour could write off debt, and that was the line coming from the top, that was what students interpreted it as (check out the Huffington Post article I linked to, which has tweets from students at the time), and it's bound to have affected many people's votes. The key thing is the non-correction - Labour were happy for people to think that dealing with historic student debt was on the agenda.

So to row back on it now, with all the deflections and the patronising 'not me Guv' language from Corbynistas on Twitter, is massively disingenuous. They got votes by pretending this was on the agenda, so they can't now deny they ever meant to give that impression to students or the wider public when they clearly did.

[Moggy]

I thought there was supposed to be a smoking ban in public places, but it didn't include this gun!

The word there being "could" not "will"? And not written by Corbyn but by Sharon Hodgson who nobody has ever even heard of.

How about looking at this document and letting us know where the lies are? You know, because that's the party actually in power....

Or maybe we should look at what politicians wrote on Facebook rather than Twitter? Remind me, did she lose more than 6 seats?

I get you hate Corbyn (I don't like him either!) but this is a rather pathetic attack. He isn't in power, student debt write offs were not in the manifesto and he never outright promised it. Whereas the Tories are in power and their whole manifesto is nothing but broken and discarded promises.

[Eighthours]

I thought there was supposed to be a smoking ban in public places, but it didn't include this gun!

The word there being "could" not "will"? And not written by Corbyn but by Sharon Hodgson who nobody has ever even heard of.

How about looking at this document and letting us know where the lies are? You know, because that's the party actually in power....

Or maybe we should look at what politicians wrote on Facebook rather than Twitter? Remind me, did she lose more than 6 seats?

I get you hate Corbyn (I don't like him either!) but this is a rather pathetic attack. He isn't in power, student debt write offs were not in the manifesto and he never outright promised it. Whereas the Tories are in power and their whole manifesto is nothing but broken and discarded promises.

There is now a video of Shadow Justice Minister Imran Hussain surrounded by a bunch of kids on the campaign trail, saying:

Just this morning Jeremy Corbyn has announced that the tuition fees will be abolished straight away from September if there's a Labour Govenmrent, and that we will bring back immediately EMA and also that every existing student will have all their debt wiped out. That's fantastic news, isn't it guys?

You're completely wrong about this being a 'pathetic attack'. It's hook, line and sinker. We now have multiple frontbench Labour MPs saying on social media and at campaign events about wiping out historic student debt. Any money says that looking into prominent Momentum members' Twitter / Facebook accounts would see them proclaiming the same thing. This is political opportunism that got more votes. They can't turn around now and say that it's been misinterpreted or is a smear.

Btw, that Sharon Hodgson tweet got 125 retweets at the time. She has 21.5k followers.

[Moggy]

And yet you are ignoring that the party in power have completely ignored almost every single promise and manifesto commitment that they made?

It's a pathetic attack because it was not in the manifesto and Labour are not in power. If they had outright promised it, won the election with a majority and then didn't do it then you would have a point. As it is you are attacking a party for something that a few of them said, that they didn't put in their manifesto and that they have no power to implement anyway.

[Moggy]

Btw, that Sharon Hodgson tweet got 125 retweets at the time. She has 21.5k followers.

125?

125 retweets?

[Preezy]

The sins of the Tories do not wash away the sins of Labour.

[Moggy]

The sins of the Tories do not wash away the sins of Labour.

I agree.

But Labour haven't committed a sin. It wasn't in the manifesto and they don't have the power to implement the policy anyway.