The Politics Thread 3.0

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by Memento Mori » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:15 pm

Hexx wrote:Opt out Organ donation in the UK!

Good. Let's hope it happens.

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by Preezy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:19 pm

Whilst I am for organ donation (and am registered myself), I'm not sure it should be a state-mandated rule that is forced upon people.

Aside from that part of the debate, what about people that smoke or drink excessively, are they meant to be donors?

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by Karl » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:23 pm

Preezy wrote:Whilst I am for organ donation (and am registered myself), I'm not sure it should be a state-mandated rule that is forced upon people.

Aside from that part of the debate, what about people that smoke or drink excessively, are they meant to be donors?


Nothing is forced on anyone, though? It's opt-out, it just means that if you care if you have to say "no." Lots of things we think are broadly beneficial for society are opt-out, like education (the 'default' is sending your kid to school but you can 'opt-out' and homeschool if you want).

And people who smoke might have bad lungs but their sweet delicious corneas are probably fine.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:25 pm

Karl wrote:
Preezy wrote:Whilst I am for organ donation (and am registered myself), I'm not sure it should be a state-mandated rule that is forced upon people.

Aside from that part of the debate, what about people that smoke or drink excessively, are they meant to be donors?


Nothing is forced on anyone, though? It's opt-out, it just means that if you care if you have to say "no." Lots of things we think are broadly beneficial for society are opt-out, like education (the 'default' is sending your kid to school but you can 'opt-out' and homeschool if you want).

And people who smoke might have bad lungs but their sweet delicious corneas are probably fine.


I agree with Karl. If somebody is against it then they can opt out.

Anybody on the opt out list should be refused a transplant though.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:26 pm

Doesn't seem like a Tory kind of thing to do though, what happened to being about small government? That coupled with building council houses, wonder what your average shires Tory thinks of this.

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by KK » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:33 pm

The European Union has launched a fresh crackdown against tech giants Amazon and Apple over tax avoidance.

Amazon has been ordered to repay €250m (£221m; $293m) in back taxes after the European Commission said it had been given an unfair tax deal in Luxembourg.

The Commission also plans to take Ireland to court over its failure to collect €13bn of back taxes from Apple.

Amazon denied it owed any back tax, saying it did "not receive any special treatment from Luxembourg".

"We will study the Commission's ruling and consider our legal options, including an appeal," an Amazon spokesperson said.

But European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager said the Luxembourg arrangement meant that Amazon had been allowed to pay "substantially less tax than other businesses", which it said was "illegal under EU state aid rules".

Selective' benefits

"Luxembourg gave illegal tax benefits to Amazon.

As a result, almost three-quarters of Amazon's profits were not taxed," Ms Vestager added.
She said Amazon paid four times less tax than other local companies.

"Member states cannot give selective tax benefits to multinational groups that are not available to others," she added.

The decision on Amazon follows a three-year long investigation by the European Commission, which said in 2014 that it had suspicions the arrangement had broken EU rules.

The tax deal between Luxembourg and Amazon was struck in 2003.

The Commission said it had enabled Amazon to shift the "vast majority" of its profits from Amazon EU to Amazon Europe Holding Technologies, which was not subject to tax.

It said this arrangement had "significantly reduced" Amazon's taxable profits.

At the time the deal was struck, Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission's president, was the prime minister of Luxembourg.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41497459

Oh that is just glorious...

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:37 pm

Karl wrote:
Preezy wrote:Whilst I am for organ donation (and am registered myself), I'm not sure it should be a state-mandated rule that is forced upon people.

Aside from that part of the debate, what about people that smoke or drink excessively, are they meant to be donors?


Nothing is forced on anyone, though? It's opt-out, it just means that if you care if you have to say "no." Lots of things we think are broadly beneficial for society are opt-out, like education (the 'default' is sending your kid to school but you can 'opt-out' and homeschool if you want).

And people who smoke might have bad lungs but their sweet delicious corneas are probably fine.


Doesn't matter anymore. I'm gonna take Errkals.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:48 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:Doesn't seem like a Tory kind of thing to do though, what happened to being about small government? That coupled with building council houses, wonder what your average shires Tory thinks of this.


I just saw that May has promised a new generation of house building, including council houses. And has said that there will be an energy price freeze.

Interesting.

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by Preezy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:50 pm

Karl wrote:
Preezy wrote:Whilst I am for organ donation (and am registered myself), I'm not sure it should be a state-mandated rule that is forced upon people.

Aside from that part of the debate, what about people that smoke or drink excessively, are they meant to be donors?


Nothing is forced on anyone, though? It's opt-out, it just means that if you care if you have to say "no." Lots of things we think are broadly beneficial for society are opt-out, like education (the 'default' is sending your kid to school but you can 'opt-out' and homeschool if you want).

And people who smoke might have bad lungs but their sweet delicious corneas are probably fine.

That's true, I clearly didn't process the information properly :fp:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Squinty » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:54 pm

DML wrote:I'd rather be an unmarried man than Iain Duncan Smith.


I reckon he's going to start blaming Brexit failures on unmarried men next.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Cuttooth » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:59 pm

Got to give Lee Nelson his due, he knows how to create a defining image in other people's live press conferences.

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by Moggy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:03 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Got to give Lee Nelson his due, he knows how to create a defining image in other people's live press conferences.


Was that him with the P45?

It was funny, but not as good as throwing cash at Sepp Blatter. :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:03 pm


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by Memento Mori » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:06 pm

Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Got to give Lee Nelson his due, he knows how to create a defining image in other people's live press conferences.


Was that him with the P45?

It was funny, but not as good as throwing cash at Sepp Blatter. :lol:

This wasn't bad either:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:09 pm

Memento Mori wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Got to give Lee Nelson his due, he knows how to create a defining image in other people's live press conferences.


Was that him with the P45?

It was funny, but not as good as throwing cash at Sepp Blatter. :lol:

This wasn't bad either:

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:lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lotus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:09 pm

Worst thing about conferences like this is all the morons on twitter pointing out completely inconsequential things that have happened. These days even the professional journalists do it, or just repost other people's tweets. :dread: :fp:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:12 pm


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Garth » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:44 pm

Well that could've gone better :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Rex Kramer » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:52 pm

You're right, the R in country could have fallen off instead of the U.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by captain red dog » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:29 pm

What an absolute car crash of a speech that was! An absolute calamity! :lol:


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